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Post by rambo on Jan 19, 2018 23:33:27 GMT
Just another stupid idea from TFL, probably thought up by a graduate who has never driven a bus, but has loads of letters after their name.
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 19, 2018 23:36:44 GMT
What idea? Just another stupid idea from TFL, probably thought up by a graduate who has never driven a bus, but has loads of letters after their name.
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Post by allentc on Jan 20, 2018 10:48:07 GMT
What are the rules regarding driver change-over and turning the engine off? Does it differ from company to company? Only because I often witness drivers turning the bus off when the replacement driver is already on-board waiting next to the cab or is at the bus stop waiting for the bus to turn up. It can't do the turbo much good turning it off and then restarting it 10 seconds later! I can understand if the replacement driver is running late as there are rules around engines idling unnecessarily. It seems common sense to me that the bus should be left running if the driver swap takes place immediately.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 20, 2018 11:35:27 GMT
What are the rules regarding driver change-over and turning the engine off? Does it differ from company to company? Only because I often witness drivers turning the bus off when the replacement driver is already on-board waiting next to the cab or is at the bus stop waiting for the bus to turn up. It can't do the turbo much good turning it off and then restarting it 10 seconds later! I can understand if the replacement driver is running late as there are rules around engines idling unnecessarily. It seems common sense to me that the bus should be left running if the driver swap takes place immediately. I was told a good while back it's something to do with the RIBAS[1] system on board where the driver taking over the bus has to tag in their key so that it registers them as the new driver. To do this the engine has to be turned off to reset driver ID, the driver then tags in the key as part of the start-up procedure and it's set up so that the bus won't start without the procedure. [1] - some sort of 'big Brother' system that monitors vehicle performance from the cab
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Post by londonbusboy on Jan 20, 2018 15:50:30 GMT
What are the rules regarding driver change-over and turning the engine off? Does it differ from company to company? Only because I often witness drivers turning the bus off when the replacement driver is already on-board waiting next to the cab or is at the bus stop waiting for the bus to turn up. It can't do the turbo much good turning it off and then restarting it 10 seconds later! I can understand if the replacement driver is running late as there are rules around engines idling unnecessarily. It seems common sense to me that the bus should be left running if the driver swap takes place immediately. I was told a good while back it's something to do with the RIBAS[1] system on board where the driver taking over the bus has to tag in their key so that it registers them as the new driver. To do this the engine has to be turned off to reset driver ID, the driver then tags in the key as part of the start-up procedure and it's set up so that the bus won't start without the procedure. [1] - some sort of 'big Brother' system that monitors vehicle performance from the cab Yes turning the engine off does log the driver out of RIBAS. RIBAS records harsh acceleration,braking,idling etc Stagecoach use greenroad which is another driver monitoring system however turning the engine off does not log the driver out of it
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Post by Curtailment on Jan 21, 2018 1:08:29 GMT
Some operators set it so that it can't be logged out of turning the engine off, only by introducing another key - so that drivers don't log out after the final trip of the day, and do the dead run back to the garage absolutely flat out
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 21, 2018 9:53:39 GMT
So yesterday was my first 269 Duty. First had I had DW431. Volvo they seemed to have fixed the slowness on them because when running out of service from the garage to Bromley this bus was flying down North Cray Road and flew up Summer Hilll with no issues at all. The turning circle is terrible though, had to fully lock it to get around the bus station in Bromley, the turning circle is much better on a T bus. These take a few seconds longer than a T bus to get up to the speed limit but was brilliant, it was also nice to meet Gellico too who was a passenger for 2 trips. The second bus DW452 was the same very fast and had vjaska on at Bromley. I had a few people taking pictures of me when I had DW452 one of which has already been sent to me. Anyone who was out yesterday would have noticed some DWs now have DT codes.
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 21, 2018 10:33:39 GMT
So yesterday was my first 269 Duty. First had I had DW431. Volvo they seemed to have fixed the slowness on them because when running out of service from the garage to Bromley this bus was flying down North Cray Road and flew up Summer Hilll with no issues at all. The turning circle is terrible though, had to fully lock it to get around the bus station in Bromley, the turning circle is much better on a T bus. These take a few seconds longer than a T bus to get up to the speed limit but was brilliant, it was also nice to meet Gellico too who was a passenger for 2 trips. The second bus DW452 was the same very fast and had vjaska on at Bromley. I had a few people taking pictures of me when I had DW452 one of which has already been sent to me. Anyone who was out yesterday would have noticed some DWs now have DT codes. Don't know this was you driving it, but I did took a snap of DW452 at Bexleyheath just before 1330.
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Post by DT 11 on Jan 21, 2018 10:36:55 GMT
So yesterday was my first 269 Duty. First had I had DW431. Volvo they seemed to have fixed the slowness on them because when running out of service from the garage to Bromley this bus was flying down North Cray Road and flew up Summer Hilll with no issues at all. The turning circle is terrible though, had to fully lock it to get around the bus station in Bromley, the turning circle is much better on a T bus. These take a few seconds longer than a T bus to get up to the speed limit but was brilliant, it was also nice to meet Gellico too who was a passenger for 2 trips. The second bus DW452 was the same very fast and had vjaska on at Bromley. I had a few people taking pictures of me when I had DW452 one of which has already been sent to me. Anyone who was out yesterday would have noticed some DWs now have DT codes. Don't know this was you driving it, but I did took a snap of DW452 at Bexleyheath just before 1330. You missed me I had just finished
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 14:10:11 GMT
So yesterday was my first 269 Duty. First had I had DW431. Volvo they seemed to have fixed the slowness on them because when running out of service from the garage to Bromley this bus was flying down North Cray Road and flew up Summer Hilll with no issues at all. The turning circle is terrible though, had to fully lock it to get around the bus station in Bromley, the turning circle is much better on a T bus. These take a few seconds longer than a T bus to get up to the speed limit but was brilliant, it was also nice to meet Gellico too who was a passenger for 2 trips. The second bus DW452 was the same very fast and had vjaska on at Bromley. I had a few people taking pictures of me when I had DW452 one of which has already been sent to me. Anyone who was out yesterday would have noticed some DWs now have DT codes. Don't forget the 50mph average speed cameras all the way up the A2.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 22, 2018 12:13:25 GMT
FMPSL The best ones are 5, 6, 7, 8, 11, 16, 17
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 22, 2018 12:17:55 GMT
I don’t see why it couldn’t come immediately after the route/destination announcement and instead saying “please hold on when the bus starts to move”. Having a 20 second time delay is stupid and should’ve been easily detected within foresight. And I assume this message plays even when drivers change over, which can take several minutes? Is there no message cancellation option without interfering with the systems general auto operation? What starts the message? Common sense says it should either start when the 'door close' button is presssed or when 'Drive' is selected on the gearbox? Happens after the door open microswitch is activated. Same way how it would announce 25 to Oxford Circus. Cant be when drive is selected on the gearbox as it is left in drive all the time mostly. I guess you meant when the handbrake was released.
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Post by Curtailment on Jan 22, 2018 17:36:34 GMT
If they want to do it properly, they could make it start when the door is closed, and not allow the halt brake to be released until the message has finished playing.
Brb, writing to TfL
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Post by JaysBusPhotos on Jan 22, 2018 21:30:30 GMT
If they want to do it properly, they could make it start when the door is closed, and not allow the halt brake to be released until the message has finished playing. Brb, writing to TfL Why not change it to something like "For your safety please hold on when the bus is moving" that will stop people moaning about the bus already moving or a better option IMO is to get rid of it and put a sticker saying it just like the warning to stand clear of the doors.
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Post by planesandtrains on Jan 22, 2018 21:44:06 GMT
LondonSP40004 on the 285 Reading654 on the 4/X4 184 on the 11
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