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Post by Nathan on Jan 23, 2018 22:03:13 GMT
I didn't have the best journey to work this morning. My Old Street-bound route 21 bus was diverted via Ilderton Road this morning due to a road traffic collision on Old Kent Road (near Aldi/Toys R Us). We finally reached Dunton Road where (annoyingly) the 'bus has to wait a short time' announcement played . Somehow, the half-hour wait in the diverted traffic wasn't enough to help regulate the service. Perhaps I'm just a frustrated commuter wanting to get to work on time, but when another 21 bus (WVL) over takes us from behind you really have to wonder what the controllers are doing. We eventually reached Borough and caught up to the WVL that over took us. Funnily enough, we ended up over taking this bus as it too seemingly had to wait a short time like we did earlier. This makes me wonder what the point was of us waiting
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Post by sid on Jan 23, 2018 22:30:43 GMT
I didn't have the best journey to work this morning. My Old Street-bound route 21 bus was diverted via Ilderton Road this morning due to a road traffic collision on Old Kent Road (near Aldi/Toys R Us). We finally reached Dunton Road where (annoyingly) the 'bus has to wait a short time' announcement played . Somehow, the half-hour wait in the diverted traffic wasn't enough to help regulate the service. Perhaps I'm just a frustrated commuter wanting to get to work on time, but when another 21 bus (WVL) over takes us from behind you really have to wonder what the controllers are doing. We eventually reached Borough and caught up to the WVL that over took us. Funnily enough, we ended up over taking this bus as it too seemingly had to wait a short time like we did earlier. This makes me wonder what the point was of us waiting I think it's experiences like this that are putting a lot of people off bus travel.
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Post by VPL630 on Jan 23, 2018 22:38:47 GMT
I didn't have the best journey to work this morning. My Old Street-bound route 21 bus was diverted via Ilderton Road this morning due to a road traffic collision on Old Kent Road (near Aldi/Toys R Us). We finally reached Dunton Road where (annoyingly) the 'bus has to wait a short time' announcement played . Somehow, the half-hour wait in the diverted traffic wasn't enough to help regulate the service. Perhaps I'm just a frustrated commuter wanting to get to work on time, but when another 21 bus (WVL) over takes us from behind you really have to wonder what the controllers are doing. We eventually reached Borough and caught up to the WVL that over took us. Funnily enough, we ended up over taking this bus as it too seemingly had to wait a short time like we did earlier. This makes me wonder what the point was of us waiting I think it's experiences like this that are putting a lot of people off bus travel. It is, you don’t get the same problems in Barcelona or Berlin which both have really good transport systems
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Post by snoggle on Jan 23, 2018 23:10:19 GMT
It is, you don’t get the same problems in Barcelona or Berlin which both have really good transport systems Can't comment on Barcelona as I've never been. However Berlin has had a massive pile of problems in recent years. The bus fleet became extremely unreliable with endemic faults in the Lion City double deckers. This caused massive unreliability and long wait times. Many millions had to be spent to get them back into service. Berlin still hasn't decided how it will replace the fleet over the next few years. The S Bahn has been in a state of chaos for many years because of arguments about who should run it and with fleet maintenance problems with the division of DB that was responsible for it. I believe the Germans are still arguing about who should run it and whether the service should be contracted out and to whom. The U Bahn has performed better but it is taking years and years to construct a short extension of line U5 to connect to the isolated U55 shuttle. Parts of the U Bahn have had to be shut down for blockades to deal with significant wear and tear dating back to re-unification in the late 80s. And we'd better not mention the new airport that is many years late and which was riddled with construction errors and other failings. No one knows when it will open. The UK has a rather better record with improving airports. I'd broadly agree that Berlin does have a decent enough transport system but it's very different to ours and structured differently. I've used it on many separate visits dating back to when the wall was still in place. It has also had a lot of serious problems and the City of Berlin, last I read, was still facing real difficulties over its financial stability. Beware the allure of foreign places that we experience for a few days while on holiday.
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Post by VPL630 on Jan 23, 2018 23:31:15 GMT
It is, you don’t get the same problems in Barcelona or Berlin which both have really good transport systems Can't comment on Barcelona as I've never been. However Berlin has had a massive pile of problems in recent years. The bus fleet became extremely unreliable with endemic faults in the Lion City double deckers. This caused massive unreliability and long wait times. Many millions had to be spent to get them back into service. Berlin still hasn't decided how it will replace the fleet over the next few years. The S Bahn has been in a state of chaos for many years because of arguments about who should run it and with fleet maintenance problems with the division of DB that was responsible for it. I believe the Germans are still arguing about who should run it and whether the service should be contracted out and to whom. The U Bahn has performed better but it is taking years and years to construct a short extension of line U5 to connect to the isolated U55 shuttle. Parts of the U Bahn have had to be shut down for blockades to deal with significant wear and tear dating back to re-unification in the late 80s. And we'd better not mention the new airport that is many years late and which was riddled with construction errors and other failings. No one knows when it will open. The UK has a rather better record with improving airports. I'd broadly agree that Berlin does have a decent enough transport system but it's very different to ours and structured differently. I've used it on many separate visits dating back to when the wall was still in place. It has also had a lot of serious problems and the City of Berlin, last I read, was still facing real difficulties over its financial stability. Beware the allure of foreign places that we experience for a few days while on holiday. I was merely speaking about buses being held back to regulate the service, I haven't experienced buses anywhere else holding back, Not that I'm saying they will run any better as both in Barcelona and Berlin I've seen bunches of 4 buses in a row, There are problems with the transport in Berlin but the problems are very different to those we have over here
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Post by planesandtrains on Jan 23, 2018 23:44:25 GMT
It is, you don’t get the same problems in Barcelona or Berlin which both have really good transport systems Can't comment on Barcelona as I've never been. However Berlin has had a massive pile of problems in recent years. The bus fleet became extremely unreliable with endemic faults in the Lion City double deckers. This caused massive unreliability and long wait times. Many millions had to be spent to get them back into service. Berlin still hasn't decided how it will replace the fleet over the next few years. The S Bahn has been in a state of chaos for many years because of arguments about who should run it and with fleet maintenance problems with the division of DB that was responsible for it. I believe the Germans are still arguing about who should run it and whether the service should be contracted out and to whom. The U Bahn has performed better but it is taking years and years to construct a short extension of line U5 to connect to the isolated U55 shuttle. Parts of the U Bahn have had to be shut down for blockades to deal with significant wear and tear dating back to re-unification in the late 80s. And we'd better not mention the new airport that is many years late and which was riddled with construction errors and other failings. No one knows when it will open. The UK has a rather better record with improving airports. I'd broadly agree that Berlin does have a decent enough transport system but it's very different to ours and structured differently. I've used it on many separate visits dating back to when the wall was still in place. It has also had a lot of serious problems and the City of Berlin, last I read, was still facing real difficulties over its financial stability. Beware the allure of foreign places that we experience for a few days while on holiday. Not to mention constant restructuring of routes just across the border in Brandeburg. Havelbus seems to be having big problems in recruiting drivers for it's Falkensee depot meaning that buses are constantly missing. The best thing about Berlin though is their ticketing system. Their ABC zones cross the boarder into Brandenburg yet London seems to have a big and patchy problem with cooperating with the outside of London (Kingston/Uxbridge) non TFL cross boarder routes in particular)
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Post by Nathan on Jan 24, 2018 8:17:55 GMT
Can't comment on Barcelona as I've never been. However Berlin has had a massive pile of problems in recent years. The bus fleet became extremely unreliable with endemic faults in the Lion City double deckers. This caused massive unreliability and long wait times. Many millions had to be spent to get them back into service. Berlin still hasn't decided how it will replace the fleet over the next few years. The S Bahn has been in a state of chaos for many years because of arguments about who should run it and with fleet maintenance problems with the division of DB that was responsible for it. I believe the Germans are still arguing about who should run it and whether the service should be contracted out and to whom. The U Bahn has performed better but it is taking years and years to construct a short extension of line U5 to connect to the isolated U55 shuttle. Parts of the U Bahn have had to be shut down for blockades to deal with significant wear and tear dating back to re-unification in the late 80s. And we'd better not mention the new airport that is many years late and which was riddled with construction errors and other failings. No one knows when it will open. The UK has a rather better record with improving airports. I'd broadly agree that Berlin does have a decent enough transport system but it's very different to ours and structured differently. I've used it on many separate visits dating back to when the wall was still in place. It has also had a lot of serious problems and the City of Berlin, last I read, was still facing real difficulties over its financial stability. Beware the allure of foreign places that we experience for a few days while on holiday. I was merely speaking about buses being held back to regulate the service, I haven't experienced buses anywhere else holding back, Not that I'm saying they will run any better as both in Barcelona and Berlin I've seen bunches of 4 buses in a row, There are problems with the transport in Berlin but the problems are very different to those we have over here It's ridiculous. Almost every day my bus is held back even after being held up in traffic longer than we should be. Although it was a lot worse when roadworks were happening on Moorgate months ago. I guess I'll have to start using the Overground more...
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Post by VPL630 on Jan 24, 2018 8:58:17 GMT
I was merely speaking about buses being held back to regulate the service, I haven't experienced buses anywhere else holding back, Not that I'm saying they will run any better as both in Barcelona and Berlin I've seen bunches of 4 buses in a row, There are problems with the transport in Berlin but the problems are very different to those we have over here It's ridiculous. Almost every day my bus is held back even after being held up in traffic longer than we should be. Although it was a lot worse when roadworks were happening on Moorgate months ago. I guess I'll have to start using the Overground more... Your bus is being held up because either the one infront is too close due to your bus getting through the traffic quicker or because the one behind is too far away because it’s experienced a delay of some sort, the controller only sees that his buses aren’t on a perfect headway (gap between each bus) and he is doing his job correctly to improve the gap between buses no matter how annoying it is for the people on the bus being held back, I understand your frustration as being held back is not really enjoyable for the driver either
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Post by Nathan on Jan 24, 2018 11:19:15 GMT
It's ridiculous. Almost every day my bus is held back even after being held up in traffic longer than we should be. Although it was a lot worse when roadworks were happening on Moorgate months ago. I guess I'll have to start using the Overground more... Your bus is being held up because either the one infront is too close due to your bus getting through the traffic quicker or because the one behind is too far away because it’s experienced a delay of some sort, the controller only sees that his buses aren’t on a perfect headway (gap between each bus) and he is doing his job correctly to improve the gap between buses no matter how annoying it is for the people on the bus being held back, I understand your frustration as being held back is not really enjoyable for the driver either Well I'm not entirely sure if a bus was too close in front of us but given the diversion that was in place yesterday, there were huge crowds of people waiting for the 21 along the normal line of route from Dunton Road. But either way, there was a WVL right behind us (which caught up to us due to the traffic) so surely this is the bus that should have waited instead of us?
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Post by VPL630 on Jan 24, 2018 12:13:02 GMT
Your bus is being held up because either the one infront is too close due to your bus getting through the traffic quicker or because the one behind is too far away because it’s experienced a delay of some sort, the controller only sees that his buses aren’t on a perfect headway (gap between each bus) and he is doing his job correctly to improve the gap between buses no matter how annoying it is for the people on the bus being held back, I understand your frustration as being held back is not really enjoyable for the driver either Well I'm not entirely sure if a bus was too close in front of us but given the diversion that was in place yesterday, there were huge crowds of people waiting for the 21 along the normal line of route from Dunton Road. But either way, there was a WVL right behind us (which caught up to us due to the traffic) so surely this is the bus that should have waited instead of us? Sounds like the driver messing about because he’s already late and he wants a turn
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Post by grubbysa on Jan 24, 2018 13:16:59 GMT
Well I'm not entirely sure if a bus was too close in front of us but given the diversion that was in place yesterday, there were huge crowds of people waiting for the 21 along the normal line of route from Dunton Road. But either way, there was a WVL right behind us (which caught up to us due to the traffic) so surely this is the bus that should have waited instead of us? Sounds like the driver messing about because he’s already late and he wants a turn Last week I had a 102 driver driving at snail pace. I boarded in Golders Green / Finchley Road towards Edmonton Green. Leader is 14 mins ahead so not too bad. My driver driving was so slow that even other passengers started to notice and then by the time we reached Muswell Hill our original leader was 45 mins ahead! Two 102s behind overtook us and we got turned to Cambridge Roundabout. The worst bus journey I've had in my life.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 24, 2018 14:01:10 GMT
Sounds like the driver messing about because he’s already late and he wants a turn Last week I had a 102 driver driving at snail pace. I boarded in Golders Green / Finchley Road towards Edmonton Green. Leader is 14 mins ahead so not too bad. My driver driving was so slow that even other passengers started to notice and then by the time we reached Muswell Hill our original leader was 45 mins ahead! Two 102s behind overtook us and we got turned to Cambridge Roundabout. The worst bus journey I've had in my life. Sounds to me as if the service was in a right state even with a 14 min gap unless you were travelling on a Sunday. As for a 45 min gap then that's beyond ridiculous. I wonder if bus drivers realise that passengers do have the ability to see precisely where all the buses are on a route if they use the right website. Obviously most won't bother to check but poor operation can be seen by anyone who makes the effort to check.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 24, 2018 14:17:52 GMT
Sounds like the driver messing about because he’s already late and he wants a turn Last week I had a 102 driver driving at snail pace. I boarded in Golders Green / Finchley Road towards Edmonton Green. Leader is 14 mins ahead so not too bad. My driver driving was so slow that even other passengers started to notice and then by the time we reached Muswell Hill our original leader was 45 mins ahead! Two 102s behind overtook us and we got turned to Cambridge Roundabout. The worst bus journey I've had in my life. My biggest bug bear is not so much the slow running - don't get me wrong, that does annoy me - but not as much as when your bus is bunched with another which is either behind or down the road. Then your driver receives a turn and what happens - the bus behind who is doing the full route overtakes leaving you and anyone else behind who needs to go further. Surely, there should be some co-ordination going on such as the turned bus continuing whilst the other bus is held back from overtaking?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 24, 2018 23:55:03 GMT
Last week I had a 102 driver driving at snail pace. I boarded in Golders Green / Finchley Road towards Edmonton Green. Leader is 14 mins ahead so not too bad. My driver driving was so slow that even other passengers started to notice and then by the time we reached Muswell Hill our original leader was 45 mins ahead! Two 102s behind overtook us and we got turned to Cambridge Roundabout. The worst bus journey I've had in my life. Sounds to me as if the service was in a right state even with a 14 min gap unless you were travelling on a Sunday. As for a 45 min gap then that's beyond ridiculous. I wonder if bus drivers realise that passengers do have the ability to see precisely where all the buses are on a route if they use the right website. Obviously most won't bother to check but poor operation can be seen by anyone who makes the effort to check. A 45 minute gap is ridiculous if true. That would equate to the bus in front being at Edmonton Green when it was at Muswell Hill. Did anything not come out from Palmers Green garage or run light to cover the gap.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 24, 2018 23:56:25 GMT
Sounds like the driver messing about because he’s already late and he wants a turn Last week I had a 102 driver driving at snail pace. I boarded in Golders Green / Finchley Road towards Edmonton Green. Leader is 14 mins ahead so not too bad. My driver driving was so slow that even other passengers started to notice and then by the time we reached Muswell Hill our original leader was 45 mins ahead! Two 102s behind overtook us and we got turned to Cambridge Roundabout. The worst bus journey I've had in my life. You should make a complaint about it. If it is one thing I always have hate with a passion is a lazy driver playing for a turn or always expecting others to overtake and basically let others do all the work.
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