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Post by vjaska on Jan 15, 2019 11:15:41 GMT
I’ve using the buses more over the last 2-3 weeks and I can now see the reason why TFL decided to cut the 427 to Southall. There is excess capacity on the Uxbridge Road between Southall and Ealing. The bus that seems to be heaving is the 607. Packed from head to toe throughout the day. Although I'm not local, to me it's a terrible cut because all it does is just heap further pressure on the already very busy 607 and leaves no spare capacity whatsoever which personally, every corridor needs some spare capacity.
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 15, 2019 12:07:19 GMT
I’ve using the buses more over the last 2-3 weeks and I can now see the reason why TFL decided to cut the 427 to Southall. There is excess capacity on the Uxbridge Road between Southall and Ealing. The bus that seems to be heaving is the 607. Packed from head to toe throughout the day. Yeah the 17-or-so bph combined 207/427 between Southall and Acton is probably a bit too much off peak, although I think the 10bph 207 alone wouldn't be quite enough. Doesn't help that both routes don't have an even frequency so loadings depend on how many buses are together. These days if I go down there I always prefer the 427 because it has way better buses and drivers but most people probably take whatever comes first. But yes the 607 is always busy between Southall and Shepherd's Bush, and the VWHs/VMHs with their stupid downstairs layout will make things much worse (the huge engine takes up so much downstairs space). Having said that, I am sure the 427 providing a direct link between South Road (especially Southall Station) and The Broadway (plus onwards to The Grapes and beyond) will get popular. Especially for those with limited mobility, who I really feel sorry for not having a direct "around-the-corner" link between the southern and western arms of the Southall Town Hall junction (like the 195 does with the southern and eastern arms). Indeed that link has been missing for several decades now, so it will be excellent to see that back.
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Jan 15, 2019 17:02:30 GMT
Sorry for asking yet again, but does the E400H have both a generator and an engine? I’m really confused now. So it always runs on electricity and the generator is the thing that starts roaring when you accelerate?
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Post by busoccultation on Jan 15, 2019 17:12:09 GMT
Sorry for asking yet again, but does the E400H have both a generator and an engine? I’m really confused now. So it always runs on electricity and the generator is the thing that starts roaring when you accelerate? Yes the E400H have both the generator and an engine as it has a Series hybrid drivetrain. I don't think it always runs on electricity as it does have small diesel onboard and I believe (but not 100% sure) the roaring/whooshing noise is the generator that is inside the batterys once the bus accelerate.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 15, 2019 17:29:27 GMT
Sorry for asking yet again, but does the E400H have both a generator and an engine? I’m really confused now. So it always runs on electricity and the generator is the thing that starts roaring when you accelerate? Yes the E400H have both the generator and an engine as it has a Series hybrid drivetrain. I don't think it always runs on electricity as it does have small diesel onboard and I believe (but not 100% sure) the roaring/whooshing noise is the generator that is inside the batterys once the bus accelerate. The engine powers the generator when the battery or capacitor runs down. So technically the E40H is always in electric mode however realistically when you start to hear the whooshing noise it's when the engine starts generating electricity rather than it being used from the batteries/capacitors. It is also why the E40H can get away with having a single gear as that gear is always going to be powered by electricity. B5LHs on the other hand needs gears as the engine directly takes over powering the gears.
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Jan 15, 2019 17:32:13 GMT
Yes the E400H have both the generator and an engine as it has a Series hybrid drivetrain. I don't think it always runs on electricity as it does have small diesel onboard and I believe (but not 100% sure) the roaring/whooshing noise is the generator that is inside the batterys once the bus accelerate. The engine powers the generator when the battery or capacitor runs down. So technically the E40H is always in electric mode however realistically when you start to hear the whooshing noise it's when the engine starts generating electricity rather than it being used from the batteries/capacitors. It is also why the E40H can get away with having a single gear as that gear is always going to be powered by electricity. B5LHs on the other hand needs gears as the engine directly takes over powering the gears. Thanks to both of you. So does the generator not make a noise then?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 15, 2019 17:33:06 GMT
The engine powers the generator when the battery or capacitor runs down. So technically the E40H is always in electric mode however realistically when you start to hear the whooshing noise it's when the engine starts generating electricity rather than it being used from the batteries/capacitors. It is also why the E40H can get away with having a single gear as that gear is always going to be powered by electricity. B5LHs on the other hand needs gears as the engine directly takes over powering the gears. Thanks to both of you. So does the generator not make a noise then? The engine is effectively the generator, as it generates the electricity used after the power from the regenerative braking has been used up.
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Post by met120 on Jan 15, 2019 18:22:44 GMT
I’ve using the buses more over the last 2-3 weeks and I can now see the reason why TFL decided to cut the 427 to Southall. There is excess capacity on the Uxbridge Road between Southall and Ealing. The bus that seems to be heaving is the 607. Packed from head to toe throughout the day. Yeah the 17-or-so bph combined 207/427 between Southall and Acton is probably a bit too much off peak, although I think the 10bph 207 alone wouldn't be quite enough. Doesn't help that both routes don't have an even frequency so loadings depend on how many buses are together. These days if I go down there I always prefer the 427 because it has way better buses and drivers but most people probably take whatever comes first. But yes the 607 is always busy between Southall and Shepherd's Bush, and the VWHs/VMHs with their stupid downstairs layout will make things much worse (the huge engine takes up so much downstairs space). Having said that, I am sure the 427 providing a direct link between South Road (especially Southall Station) and The Broadway (plus onwards to The Grapes and beyond) will get popular. Especially for those with limited mobility, who I really feel sorry for not having a direct "around-the-corner" link between the southern and western arms of the Southall Town Hall junction (like the 195 does with the southern and eastern arms). Indeed that link has been missing for several decades now, so it will be excellent to see that back. I think they should’ve extended the 482 or H32 from South Road to the Uxbridge Road corridor because I do believe there will be a demand. The 607 is gonna struggle big time judging by the current loads. I agree with the 427 statement.
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Post by met120 on Jan 15, 2019 18:24:29 GMT
I’ve using the buses more over the last 2-3 weeks and I can now see the reason why TFL decided to cut the 427 to Southall. There is excess capacity on the Uxbridge Road between Southall and Ealing. The bus that seems to be heaving is the 607. Packed from head to toe throughout the day. Although I'm not local, to me it's a terrible cut because all it does is just heap further pressure on the already very busy 607 and leaves no spare capacity whatsoever which personally, every corridor needs some spare capacity. I should’ve said off peak loadings because that’s the one that has plenty of capacity. Some buses are virtually empty during that period.
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Post by Hassaan on Jan 15, 2019 18:35:51 GMT
Yeah the 17-or-so bph combined 207/427 between Southall and Acton is probably a bit too much off peak, although I think the 10bph 207 alone wouldn't be quite enough. Doesn't help that both routes don't have an even frequency so loadings depend on how many buses are together. These days if I go down there I always prefer the 427 because it has way better buses and drivers but most people probably take whatever comes first. But yes the 607 is always busy between Southall and Shepherd's Bush, and the VWHs/VMHs with their stupid downstairs layout will make things much worse (the huge engine takes up so much downstairs space). Having said that, I am sure the 427 providing a direct link between South Road (especially Southall Station) and The Broadway (plus onwards to The Grapes and beyond) will get popular. Especially for those with limited mobility, who I really feel sorry for not having a direct "around-the-corner" link between the southern and western arms of the Southall Town Hall junction (like the 195 does with the southern and eastern arms). Indeed that link has been missing for several decades now, so it will be excellent to see that back. I think they should’ve extended the 482 or H32 from South Road to the Uxbridge Road corridor because I do believe there will be a demand. The 607 is gonna struggle big time judging by the current loads. I agree with the 427 statement. That's a good suggestion actually, a direct bus from Western Road/King Street to The Broadway would be even more of a hit compared to just from Southall Station. Shame the 427 is to terminate at Merrick Road/Bridge Road and not continue down to Norwood Green, as that would have given me another bus route
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Post by rj131 on Jan 15, 2019 18:36:01 GMT
I’ve using the buses more over the last 2-3 weeks and I can now see the reason why TFL decided to cut the 427 to Southall. There is excess capacity on the Uxbridge Road between Southall and Ealing. The bus that seems to be heaving is the 607. Packed from head to toe throughout the day. Yeah the 17-or-so bph combined 207/427 between Southall and Acton is probably a bit too much off peak, although I think the 10bph 207 alone wouldn't be quite enough. Doesn't help that both routes don't have an even frequency so loadings depend on how many buses are together. These days if I go down there I always prefer the 427 because it has way better buses and drivers but most people probably take whatever comes first. But yes the 607 is always busy between Southall and Shepherd's Bush, and the VWHs/VMHs with their stupid downstairs layout will make things much worse (the huge engine takes up so much downstairs space). Having said that, I am sure the 427 providing a direct link between South Road (especially Southall Station) and The Broadway (plus onwards to The Grapes and beyond) will get popular. Especially for those with limited mobility, who I really feel sorry for not having a direct "around-the-corner" link between the southern and western arms of the Southall Town Hall junction (like the 195 does with the southern and eastern arms). Indeed that link has been missing for several decades now, so it will be excellent to see that back. Also we still don’t know if the 207’s upcoming PVR reduction down to 28 indicates a frequency cut or not. A frequency cut on that along with the curtailing of the 427 is to Southall is suicide! Completely inadequate and would completely oversubscribe the 207/607.
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Post by Londonbuses54 on Jan 15, 2019 18:55:13 GMT
Are the new smart hybrids limited or not?
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 16, 2019 12:02:22 GMT
I don't understand what's the point to speed in a 20mph zone and then get mad when ibus tells you to hold 3 minutes in the stop. I know this one driver in particular who rides 30-35 in 20 and then has to hold 5 minutes at a bus stop...just doesn't seem to get it and these are the type of drivers who kill the 'even' service anyways since they just skipped through 20% of route by speeding not picking anyone up and now the guy behind has to do all the work losing time because of excess amount of people at the bus stops suddenly while the guy in front is just having a free 5 minute break. /rant lol That type of driver you describe is the type that would leave the stand 2 minutes early on purpose, catch the bus in front up purposely so they do not have to pick up as much passengers, less work. Lazy driver imo
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jan 16, 2019 12:09:19 GMT
CentreComm have now changed their name. They now announce 'Network Management Control Centre' over the radio. Bit of a mouthful! I preferred CentreComm.
Attention all bus staff: CentreComm out… …NMCC in From 7 January 2019, CentreComm staff will merge with other TfL control centres to become one large control centre called the Network Management Control Centre (NMCC). • This means we are more able to support you across London’s bus network, as we can make better use of our resources and have more operators available at peak times • Although the name ‘CentreComm’ will no longer exist, you can still expect the same level of support from the NMCC • Drivers should continue to use Code Red for all emergency situations and Code Blue to report information. 3 January 2019
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Post by Pilot on Jan 16, 2019 12:54:45 GMT
NMCC sounds horrible, you can tell 80% of controllers are unhappy pronouncing the full thing or abbreviation and some still say CentreComm...some even started saying Control out, which I do like, but I am sure it wont last.
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