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Post by vjaska on Apr 18, 2019 23:17:09 GMT
If vjaska 's Fleetlist is correct (I have not counted the 364's WS's On The On Order page) This is the current *Insert desired bad remark here* - lite summary (streetlite) Already In Use: 117 GAL 30 AL 11 RTP 9 SB 36 TT 203 Total Already In Use 31 On OrderGAL 234 Total After Current New Orders Completed That will be 234 Streetlites too many! 😡 Just to remind people that anything in red on that page is information that hasn't been confirmed - it was not confirmed to get WS but merely a placeholder as I like to have something there if possible.
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Post by 15002 on Apr 18, 2019 23:22:26 GMT
It is indeed, SE304 - SE319. Most likely gonna be Voith as well, but as I said in the GAL thread, it is an upgrade to the current SEs that it’s currently allocated with for sure. Streetlites have only come in Voith since the type was first introduced I was referring to the MMCs not Streetlites
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Post by vjaska on Apr 18, 2019 23:26:49 GMT
Streetlites have only come in Voith since the type was first introduced I was referring to the MMCs not Streetlites Apologies, thought you said Streetlites
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Post by sid on Apr 19, 2019 5:30:22 GMT
I was in the West End yesterday and there were lots of people waiting at stops which are not being served by any buses due to the demos. Why can't TfL put these stops out of service, so people know there will be no buses coming? Portman Square was complete chaos. Traffic horrendous and lack of stand space for buses. Worse, no clue what buses were stopping where. TfL really need to sort this out. I've seen that so many times, a large crowd at the stop on Westminster Bridge outside St Thomas's Hospital for example and the PID showing a list of buses due when buses are on diversion via Waterloo or Lambeth Bridges.
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 19, 2019 7:05:06 GMT
If vjaska 's Fleetlist is correct (I have not counted the 364's WS's On The On Order page) This is the current *Insert desired bad remark here* - lite summary (streetlite) Already In Use: 117 GAL 30 AL 11 RTP 9 SB 36 TT 203 Total Already In Use 31 On OrderGAL 234 Total After Current New Orders Completed That will be 234 Streetlites too many! 😡 The 364 is getting SEs, not WSs Thats why I said at the top I am not including them
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Post by galwhv69 on Apr 19, 2019 7:06:55 GMT
If vjaska 's Fleetlist is correct (I have not counted the 364's WS's On The On Order page) This is the current *Insert desired bad remark here* - lite summary (streetlite) Already In Use: 117 GAL 30 AL 11 RTP 9 SB 36 TT 203 Total Already In Use 31 On OrderGAL 234 Total After Current New Orders Completed That will be 234 Streetlites too many! 😡 Just to remind people that anything in red on that page is information that hasn't been confirmed - it was not confirmed to get WS but merely a placeholder as I like to have something there if possible. That would explain it,thanks
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Post by rif153 on Apr 19, 2019 7:44:13 GMT
I was in the West End yesterday and there were lots of people waiting at stops which are not being served by any buses due to the demos. Why can't TfL put these stops out of service, so people know there will be no buses coming? Portman Square was complete chaos. Traffic horrendous and lack of stand space for buses. Worse, no clue what buses were stopping where. TfL really need to sort this out. Oh dear. I gather Baker Street is chaos, not helped by the two way project, but also because of all the congestion due to Extinction Rebellion. It's a wonder why operators don't just curtail some buses at Baker Street Station to save the northern end of the 113, 139, 189 etc.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2019 10:29:34 GMT
Today there was new meaning on the 274 for regulating the service. I was on VMH2482 and it was going on the slow side, nevertheless it was catching up VMH2470 ahead. VMH2470 then waited at the bus stop ahead and we caught it up. The driver then advised us to get off and board VMH2470 which then setoff, whilst VMH2482 waited around to regulate the service!!! This was at least a better outcome for the passengers, but I have never seen this before. I have seen this once before on the 221 at Mill Hill East Station, a bus behind catching up to the one in front, then kicking all the passengers off to board the first one, while the bus behind waits for the next and so on. I did mention it on the forum but was advised by someone who had checked the iBus that this wouldn't have been allowed to happen and there was no note of it in the iBus data! Glad to know I wasn't seeing things as it's happened again on the 274!
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Post by ronnie on Apr 19, 2019 10:43:12 GMT
Today there was new meaning on the 274 for regulating the service. I was on VMH2482 and it was going on the slow side, nevertheless it was catching up VMH2470 ahead. VMH2470 then waited at the bus stop ahead and we caught it up. The driver then advised us to get off and board VMH2470 which then setoff, whilst VMH2482 waited around to regulate the service!!! This was at least a better outcome for the passengers, but I have never seen this before. I have seen this once before on the 221 at Mill Hill East Station, a bus behind catching up to the one in front, then kicking all the passengers off to board the first one, while the bus behind waits for the next and so on. I did mention it on the forum but was advised by someone who had checked the iBus that this wouldn't have been allowed to happen and there was no note of it in the iBus data! Glad to know I wasn't seeing things as it's happened again on the 274! Had this on the 176 once around the old vic area (northbound)
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Post by grubbysa on Apr 19, 2019 13:03:42 GMT
Today there was new meaning on the 274 for regulating the service. I was on VMH2482 and it was going on the slow side, nevertheless it was catching up VMH2470 ahead. VMH2470 then waited at the bus stop ahead and we caught it up. The driver then advised us to get off and board VMH2470 which then setoff, whilst VMH2482 waited around to regulate the service!!! This was at least a better outcome for the passengers, but I have never seen this before. New initiative by TfL where buses are not allowed to hold back for more then 3 minutes at one stop with passengers onboard. Seems like the bus in front of yours was instructed to hold for you and the other passengers to board allowing your original bus to hold for over 3 minutes.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 19, 2019 14:10:54 GMT
Today there was new meaning on the 274 for regulating the service. I was on VMH2482 and it was going on the slow side, nevertheless it was catching up VMH2470 ahead. VMH2470 then waited at the bus stop ahead and we caught it up. The driver then advised us to get off and board VMH2470 which then setoff, whilst VMH2482 waited around to regulate the service!!! This was at least a better outcome for the passengers, but I have never seen this before. New initiative by TfL where buses are not allowed to hold back for more then 3 minutes at one stop with passengers onboard. Seems like the bus in front of yours was instructed to hold for you and the other passengers to board allowing your original bus to hold for over 3 minutes. So rather than amend the schedules to avoid all this nonsense TfL now place a greater onus on the operators? Hmmm - interesting view about where the responsibility for slack schedules sits. I'll readily acknowledge that this is not an easy issue given operators provide the schedules and manage the service day to day and thus own the performance risk. However TfL own the specification and accept the schedule and PVR so they're not exactly "off the hook" either (IMO).
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Post by danorak on Apr 19, 2019 14:23:16 GMT
New initiative by TfL where buses are not allowed to hold back for more then 3 minutes at one stop with passengers onboard. Seems like the bus in front of yours was instructed to hold for you and the other passengers to board allowing your original bus to hold for over 3 minutes. So rather than amend the schedules to avoid all this nonsense TfL now place a greater onus on the operators? Hmmm - interesting view about where the responsibility for slack schedules sits. I'll readily acknowledge that this is not an easy issue given operators provide the schedules and manage the service day to day and thus own the performance risk. However TfL own the specification and accept the schedule and PVR so they're not exactly "off the hook" either (IMO). So effectively two lots of passengers get held up rather than one.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 19, 2019 14:32:55 GMT
Today there was new meaning on the 274 for regulating the service. I was on VMH2482 and it was going on the slow side, nevertheless it was catching up VMH2470 ahead. VMH2470 then waited at the bus stop ahead and we caught it up. The driver then advised us to get off and board VMH2470 which then setoff, whilst VMH2482 waited around to regulate the service!!! That used to happen a lot on the 152 prior to change of operator
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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 19, 2019 14:40:38 GMT
New initiative by TfL where buses are not allowed to hold back for more then 3 minutes at one stop with passengers onboard. Seems like the bus in front of yours was instructed to hold for you and the other passengers to board allowing your original bus to hold for over 3 minutes. So rather than amend the schedules to avoid all this nonsense TfL now place a greater onus on the operators? Hmmm - interesting view about where the responsibility for slack schedules sits. I'll readily acknowledge that this is not an easy issue given operators provide the schedules and manage the service day to day and thus own the performance risk. However TfL own the specification and accept the schedule and PVR so they're not exactly "off the hook" either (IMO). Schedules should have some resilience in them and stand space permitting, buses can move more quickly than scheduled and the operator will know where this can be done. Stand space however is at a premium so this can't always happen.
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Post by ThinLizzy on Apr 19, 2019 15:01:26 GMT
Today there was new meaning on the 274 for regulating the service. I was on VMH2482 and it was going on the slow side, nevertheless it was catching up VMH2470 ahead. VMH2470 then waited at the bus stop ahead and we caught it up. The driver then advised us to get off and board VMH2470 which then setoff, whilst VMH2482 waited around to regulate the service!!! This was at least a better outcome for the passengers, but I have never seen this before. New initiative by TfL where buses are not allowed to hold back for more then 3 minutes at one stop with passengers onboard. Seems like the bus in front of yours was instructed to hold for you and the other passengers to board allowing your original bus to hold for over 3 minutes. excellent initiative- my 5 today got held for 3 minutes...at 3 different stops on what should be a 20 minute journey. When will TfL sort this sort of thing out- you could easily remove at least 2 buses from the 5 schedule to stop all this waiting at stops and/or being transferred onto the bus in front
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