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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:35:34 GMT
Wanting to get on a 486 at the Charlton Retail Park a short while ago. Somebody next to me in the queue had been waiting for 25 minutes. LVF suggested a bus was due in 5 minutes. This became 10 with another bus a minute behind. The driver told me there were 2 more buses at North Greenwich. The first bus arrived fully loaded with people from North Greenwich, the leisure park/Ikea stops and school kids from the new 1600 pupil school on the peninsular. Not sure if a bus had been turned at Charlton Station or one had been cut. The route needs a review and the controllers to understand the changes in the area.. Controllers are only doing their job. Not their job to think of the passengers, their job to meet performance targets so buses need to be turned to fill gaps in the service.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 19:38:05 GMT
I agree, the B9TL seems very boring and slow. Drive one in high revs and you'll see the power and speed come through. Unfortunately the Go Ahead ones are restricted so won't go above 1500 RPM and they are restricted to pull away more slowly as well. Drove one with a dodgy gearbox the other day (think it was only using 2nd, 3rd and 4th, was pulling away in 2nd) and once you get it up to high revs it flies.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 18, 2019 20:07:22 GMT
Drive one in high revs and you'll see the power and speed come through. Unfortunately the Go Ahead ones are restricted so won't go above 1500 RPM and they are restricted to pull away more slowly as well. Drove one with a dodgy gearbox the other day (think it was only using 2nd, 3rd and 4th, was pulling away in 2nd) and once you get it up to high revs it flies. The 380 series at SW can rev fairly high as can the rest of the ex BX batch. The ex EL ones can as well as I've had one on the EL2 & 405. The ex 63 batch were quite tame in comparison.
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Post by cl54 on Nov 18, 2019 20:10:48 GMT
Wanting to get on a 486 at the Charlton Retail Park a short while ago. Somebody next to me in the queue had been waiting for 25 minutes. LVF suggested a bus was due in 5 minutes. This became 10 with another bus a minute behind. The driver told me there were 2 more buses at North Greenwich. The first bus arrived fully loaded with people from North Greenwich, the leisure park/Ikea stops and school kids from the new 1600 pupil school on the peninsular. Not sure if a bus had been turned at Charlton Station or one had been cut. The route needs a review and the controllers to understand the changes in the area.. Controllers are only doing their job. Not their job to think of the passengers, their job to meet performance targets so buses need to be turned to fill gaps in the service. and create a gap of 2.5 times the supposed frequency at the main boarding point for the route?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 20:38:27 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted today but as expected fares are frozen again next year
Probably in the minority but will be glad when the fare freeze is over and TfL actually gets a bit more revenue from 2021.
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Post by kmkcheng on Nov 18, 2019 20:45:11 GMT
Not sure if this has been posted today but as expected fares are frozen again next year
Probably in the minority but will be glad when the fare freeze is over and TfL actually gets a bit more revenue from 2021.
Not surprised fares are still frozen considering it is the London mayor election next year. I would gladly pay a bit more on my fares if it means money goes back into TfL and stops anymore unnecessary cuts in services
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Post by rmz19 on Nov 18, 2019 20:45:26 GMT
I see a new thread being created. Would be an interesting one, assuming a similar one doesn't exist yet
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2019 20:46:00 GMT
Controllers are only doing their job. Not their job to think of the passengers, their job to meet performance targets so buses need to be turned to fill gaps in the service. and create a gap of 2.5 times the supposed frequency at the main boarding point for the route? Yes, they'd rather that than a large gap going throughout the entire route.
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Post by redbus on Nov 18, 2019 22:06:38 GMT
and create a gap of 2.5 times the supposed frequency at the main boarding point for the route? Yes, they'd rather that than a large gap going throughout the entire route. This comes back to the old problem of objectives and controls / incentives. You have the objective of giving a good service to passengers and to so get the operators to achieve that there are controls / incentives, in this case ewt, mileage etc and bonus payments (or lack thereof). The operators of course are not primarily interested in the original objective of a good service to passengers, bur what bonus they can obtain. To be fair to TfL it is very difficult to write your performance regime so that the operators in trying to get their bonus actually deliver that objective of the best service. Part of the answer is that you need to change your controls / incentives according to how the operators behave in order to deliver that best service, and it is in this respect I think TfL could perhaps improve. I will issue a huge disclaimer given it how difficult it is to get this process right and also not knowing what TfL might be doing to improve matters.
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Post by SILENCED on Nov 18, 2019 23:44:17 GMT
Wanting to get on a 486 at the Charlton Retail Park a short while ago. Somebody next to me in the queue had been waiting for 25 minutes. LVF suggested a bus was due in 5 minutes. This became 10 with another bus a minute behind. The driver told me there were 2 more buses at North Greenwich. The first bus arrived fully loaded with people from North Greenwich, the leisure park/Ikea stops and school kids from the new 1600 pupil school on the peninsular. Not sure if a bus had been turned at Charlton Station or one had been cut. The route needs a review and the controllers to understand the changes in the area.. Controllers are only doing their job. Not their job to think of the passengers, their job to meet performance targets so buses need to be turned to fill gaps in the service. Sorry, someone works in the public services industry and no part of their job description involve customer satisfaction .... would live to see the controllers job description if that is the case, and maybe forward it to TfL.
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Post by Pilot on Nov 18, 2019 23:57:45 GMT
So basically just another day in the office? Buses running in pairs or triples is more occurring event, and will happen more as the holidays are coming due to traffic.
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Post by kenmet on Nov 19, 2019 6:17:57 GMT
Controllers are only doing their job. Not their job to think of the passengers, their job to meet performance targets so buses need to be turned to fill gaps in the service. Sorry, someone works in the public services industry and no part of their job description involve customer satisfaction .... would live to see the controllers job description if that is the case, and maybe forward it to TfL. He's right though, harsh as it might sound passenger needs aren't the controllers problem, mileage, driving hours and getting drivers to the changeover point on time are their priorities. Inevitably not all buses on the 486 are going to get to North Greenwich, maybe the route would be better worked from MG but that's down to TfL, they awarded the contract based on it running from BX.
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Post by rml1969 on Nov 19, 2019 8:08:08 GMT
What will take place in terms of vehicles once the ULEZ is expanded within the boundary of the South and North Circular roads in late 2021?
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Post by snowman on Nov 19, 2019 8:46:27 GMT
What will take place in terms of vehicles once the ULEZ is expanded within the boundary of the South and North Circular roads in late 2021? the expansion in 2021 is for light vehicles (cars etc) Buses (and bigger vehicles) are affected by London wide expansion year earlier, October 2020 Every bus is being upgraded to euroVI minimum (except those leaving) by summer 2020 (approx 80 buses are upgrade floats so will also leave) Now about 87% are compliant with about 1% being done every 3 weeks (was 85% when figures produced for last weeks Board committee report which was end of Q2 end September), from memory aim was to have upgrade completed around May 2020 Then just a few non compliant buses finishing contracts before deadline.
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Post by wirewiper on Nov 19, 2019 9:00:30 GMT
Wanting to get on a 486 at the Charlton Retail Park a short while ago. Somebody next to me in the queue had been waiting for 25 minutes. LVF suggested a bus was due in 5 minutes. This became 10 with another bus a minute behind. The driver told me there were 2 more buses at North Greenwich. The first bus arrived fully loaded with people from North Greenwich, the leisure park/Ikea stops and school kids from the new 1600 pupil school on the peninsular. Not sure if a bus had been turned at Charlton Station or one had been cut. The route needs a review and the controllers to understand the changes in the area.. You offer your final comment as a definitive statement, yet you have made no comment as to why that particular route was so disrupted at that time. The controllers also have to take that into account when attempting to regulate the service and there is never a one-size-fits-all solution. Sometimes controllers are faced with an impossible situation, especially on days when Murphy's Law* comes into effect and a string of multiple incidents defeat all attempts to keep at least some semblance of a service going. They cannot do right for doing wrong. * Murphy's Law - If anything can go wrong, it will, and at the worst possible time.
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