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Post by lc1 on May 19, 2010 7:30:21 GMT
I think a lot of the problem with it may be people complaining about the use of the ahe announcement. My experence of bus passengers is they don't care about the operation of the service beyond their personal needs. Passenger walks to a bus stop, a bus turns up, lots of green traffic lights (and a 132 just in front of you!! ) and bingo the bus is early. So the driver pulls over at a stop and plays the regulating announcement. Passenger thinks hang on I need to get to the station, this bus is making me miss my train so they complain. and TfL change the rules to suit them. Like the thing where we are ment to stop at every stop that has someone standing at it reguardless of flag colour. Because people don't put their hand out the bus drives past and they complain because it's never their fault, you get a curtailment you change the blind and people who get on AFTER the blind has been changed shout at the driver, because they freely got on a bus thet wasn't going where they wanted it too and they didn't read the blind. Many times (before iBus) when waiting time out mid route (not waiting at 2nd to last stop as some people have mentioned buses do) I've had people have a go at me because they are going to miss their train. and no matter how many times you explain to them that you are early and you arn't making them miss anything because you are EARLY not LATE they still blame the driver. I even had one woman at Bromley north having a go at me telling me there is no such thing as a timetable so I cannot be early cos it just says on the stop "About every 10 minutes" and I'm not due at any bus stop at any time, I'm still not exactly sure how she thought we stay 10 mins apart. This it typical TfL pandering to idiots who can't cope with the way the system has worked for I don't know... 100 ish years!! and it dosen't matter to them how early the bus is as long as it gets THEM to the station, sod everyone else who will miss it because it has run early because they don't matter to that 1 person. And to top all that I think the removing of this announcement discrimates aganced deaf people. If you use a pre recorded announcment it is displayed on the screen for deaf people and announced through the speakers for blind people. If I make announcment using the PA how does the deaf person on the top deck know what is going on?? and I thought the DDA ruled the world?? This is all just my opinion by the way I'm not stating any facts so don't ask me for numbers of complaints about regulating the service or anything. Now that is the best post I have read on here for a while, if not ever.
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Post by Paul on May 19, 2010 15:23:03 GMT
Seconded lc1, especially this part: And to top all that I think the removing of this announcement discrimates aganced deaf people. If you use a pre recorded announcment it is displayed on the screen for deaf people and announced through the speakers for blind people. If I make announcment using the PA how does the deaf person on the top deck know what is going on?? and I thought the DDA ruled the world?? That thought had never occurred to me
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Post by greeny253 on May 19, 2010 16:01:13 GMT
I think a lot of the problem with it may be people complaining about the use of the ahe announcement. My experence of bus passengers is they don't care about the operation of the service beyond their personal needs. Passenger walks to a bus stop, a bus turns up, lots of green traffic lights (and a 132 just in front of you!! ) and bingo the bus is early. So the driver pulls over at a stop and plays the regulating announcement. Passenger thinks hang on I need to get to the station, this bus is making me miss my train so they complain. and TfL change the rules to suit them. Like the thing where we are ment to stop at every stop that has someone standing at it reguardless of flag colour. Because people don't put their hand out the bus drives past and they complain because it's never their fault, you get a curtailment you change the blind and people who get on AFTER the blind has been changed shout at the driver, because they freely got on a bus thet wasn't going where they wanted it too and they didn't read the blind. Many times (before iBus) when waiting time out mid route (not waiting at 2nd to last stop as some people have mentioned buses do) I've had people have a go at me because they are going to miss their train. and no matter how many times you explain to them that you are early and you arn't making them miss anything because you are EARLY not LATE they still blame the driver. I even had one woman at Bromley north having a go at me telling me there is no such thing as a timetable so I cannot be early cos it just says on the stop "About every 10 minutes" and I'm not due at any bus stop at any time, I'm still not exactly sure how she thought we stay 10 mins apart. This it typical TfL pandering to idiots who can't cope with the way the system has worked for I don't know... 100 ish years!! and it dosen't matter to them how early the bus is as long as it gets THEM to the station, sod everyone else who will miss it because it has run early because they don't matter to that 1 person. And to top all that I think the removing of this announcement discrimates aganced deaf people. If you use a pre recorded announcment it is displayed on the screen for deaf people and announced through the speakers for blind people. If I make announcment using the PA how does the deaf person on the top deck know what is going on?? and I thought the DDA ruled the world?? This is all just my opinion by the way I'm not stating any facts so don't ask me for numbers of complaints about regulating the service or anything. Well said that man!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2010 17:01:14 GMT
I think a lot of the problem with it may be people complaining about the use of the ahe announcement. My experence of bus passengers is they don't care about the operation of the service beyond their personal needs. Passenger walks to a bus stop, a bus turns up, lots of green traffic lights (and a 132 just in front of you!! ) and bingo the bus is early. So the driver pulls over at a stop and plays the regulating announcement. Passenger thinks hang on I need to get to the station, this bus is making me miss my train so they complain. and TfL change the rules to suit them. Like the thing where we are ment to stop at every stop that has someone standing at it reguardless of flag colour. Because people don't put their hand out the bus drives past and they complain because it's never their fault, you get a curtailment you change the blind and people who get on AFTER the blind has been changed shout at the driver, because they freely got on a bus thet wasn't going where they wanted it too and they didn't read the blind. Many times (before iBus) when waiting time out mid route (not waiting at 2nd to last stop as some people have mentioned buses do) I've had people have a go at me because they are going to miss their train. and no matter how many times you explain to them that you are early and you arn't making them miss anything because you are EARLY not LATE they still blame the driver. I even had one woman at Bromley north having a go at me telling me there is no such thing as a timetable so I cannot be early cos it just says on the stop "About every 10 minutes" and I'm not due at any bus stop at any time, I'm still not exactly sure how she thought we stay 10 mins apart. This it typical TfL pandering to idiots who can't cope with the way the system has worked for I don't know... 100 ish years!! and it dosen't matter to them how early the bus is as long as it gets THEM to the station, sod everyone else who will miss it because it has run early because they don't matter to that 1 person. And to top all that I think the removing of this announcement discrimates aganced deaf people. If you use a pre recorded announcment it is displayed on the screen for deaf people and announced through the speakers for blind people. If I make announcment using the PA how does the deaf person on the top deck know what is going on?? and I thought the DDA ruled the world?? This is all just my opinion by the way I'm not stating any facts so don't ask me for numbers of complaints about regulating the service or anything. Hear, hear. Madstuntman for PM!!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2010 17:10:16 GMT
There are two ways to restore headway, delay everything following or to ask late runner to run non-stop for a few stops. The latter is often usued on trains, but rarely on buses. If it works on trains, why cant it be used for buses. It is better to have a handful of passengers who need to alight and wait following stopping bus, than to delay every passenger on next few buses as they all end up waiting time. How would running non-stop work in practice, the waiting passengers won't know why the approaching bus is NOT picking them. This is especially the case if passengers will be alighting, and if there's a DSA present, God forbid!
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2010 19:26:34 GMT
Packed out this afternoon had to play the move down the bus announcement 6 times at one stop before anyone moved . That got me thinking, how long before TFL remove it .
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Post by kwik on May 21, 2010 20:06:00 GMT
When every driver goes SILENT ............... will soon lead to the driver being removed from the cab for the first driverless buses in London. TFL well done. Your big fat pays are well justified.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2010 23:30:23 GMT
When every driver goes SILENT ............... will soon lead to the driver being removed from the cab for the first driverless buses in London. TFL well done. Your big fat pays are well justified. You must smoke some strong stuff to come up with a theory like that.
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Post by kwik on May 23, 2010 8:09:47 GMT
When every driver goes SILENT ............... will soon lead to the driver being removed from the cab for the first driverless buses in London. TFL well done. Your big fat pays are well justified. You must smoke some strong stuff to come up with a theory like that. READ AND THINK !!!!!!!!!!
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Post by moz on Jun 7, 2010 14:29:53 GMT
Our tridents are the same in that you have to stand halfway up to speak on the mic or you have to shout. We used to have a microphone which we could pull towards us but this has been taken away as soon as the ibus system arrived. Still can't believe the regualte message has gone. If passengers were complaining about it being used inappropriately then maybe they could have worded it differently No point moaning about it now though I don't do standing up in the cab, or moving for that matter. If I need to use the PA I'll happily turn it on, but if the punters can't hear me from where I'm sitting (my workplace) then tough. Also, don't shout as it's rude, just mumble on in your own voice at normal speech level (which is what microphones are designed to pick up) and there'll be someone on who understands you. As for the 'regulate service' message, I never used this. Simply turn the PA on, say "The service controller has instructed that this bus wait here for x minutes to equalise frequencies" and you soon get an empty bus. Oh, and you get to blame somebody else for sitting there . Moz
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 8, 2010 13:18:08 GMT
Our tridents are the same in that you have to stand halfway up to speak on the mic or you have to shout. We used to have a microphone which we could pull towards us but this has been taken away as soon as the ibus system arrived. Still can't believe the regualte message has gone. If passengers were complaining about it being used inappropriately then maybe they could have worded it differently No point moaning about it now though I don't do standing up in the cab, or moving for that matter. If I need to use the PA I'll happily turn it on, but if the punters can't hear me from where I'm sitting (my workplace) then tough. Also, don't shout as it's rude, just mumble on in your own voice at normal speech level (which is what microphones are designed to pick up) and there'll be someone on who understands you. As for the 'regulate service' message, I never used this. Simply turn the PA on, say "The service controller has instructed that this bus wait here for x minutes to equalise frequencies" and you soon get an empty bus. Oh, and you get to blame somebody else for sitting there . Moz Good theory ;D ;D Though it has to be said playing "This bus terminates here" also results in a similar effect ;D
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Post by Paul on Jun 8, 2010 18:43:27 GMT
Though it has to be said playing "This bus terminates here" also results in a similar effect ;D Really? There are times I can sit at Catford on the 208s playing that message over and over and people just sit there They soon move when I turn left at the lights though
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Post by greeny253 on Jun 20, 2010 16:04:48 GMT
Though it has to be said playing "This bus terminates here" also results in a similar effect ;D Really? There are times I can sit at Catford on the 208s playing that message over and over and people just sit there They soon move when I turn left at the lights though I find that works also ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2010 18:51:08 GMT
I think the 'regulate service' announcement maybe needs to be changed. There are a lot of people who don't understand what it actually means. Obviously most of us know what it means, but maybe it should say that 'the bus is being held here as it is early' or something along those lines. Also, I don't think people getting angry with the driver is too common. I get the bus a lot (most of the time amongst sixth formers), and never really seen anyone have a go at the driver. I must say, I haven't really used the bus in the evenings, when people are usually more aggressive, and I am not a driver, so obviously not in a bus as much as a driver. Thats just my experience, and I know its probably a lot different for other people, especially drivers.
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Post by john on Jun 21, 2010 11:54:01 GMT
I think the 'regulate service' announcement maybe needs to be changed. There are a lot of people who don't understand what it actually means. Obviously most of us know what it means, but maybe it should say that 'the bus is being held here as it is early' or something along those lines. Also, I don't think people getting angry with the driver is too common. I get the bus a lot (most of the time amongst sixth formers), and never really seen anyone have a go at the driver. I must say, I haven't really used the bus in the evenings, when people are usually more aggressive, and I am not a driver, so obviously not in a bus as much as a driver. Thats just my experience, and I know its probably a lot different for other people, especially drivers. The amount of times i've sat on a 174 and had that annoucement played followed by a rather loud groan from all the passengers on board I can understand the need for it, but RM would be playing it so many bloody times that you heard it just as much as the route announcement
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