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Post by RM5chris on Aug 25, 2010 12:12:17 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 12:46:50 GMT
LU should say right after first strike ... we suspend those that strike without pay for 1 week. After 2nd strike close system for 2 weeks - we suspend those that strike without pay for 2 weeks ... and so on. See how they feel the pain!!!! Cause public lots of pain ... but Bob Crow must be broken
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:11:06 GMT
LU should say right after first strike ... we suspend those that strike without pay for 1 week. After 2nd strike close system for 2 weeks - we suspend those that strike without pay for 2 weeks ... and so on. See how they feel the pain!!!! Cause public lots of pain ... but Bob Crow must be broken You sound like a well rounded individual, I take it that when you're told that you're not needed any more you'll say "Yeah, okay, go on, bye"? Or will you have some backbone?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:16:34 GMT
LU should say right after first strike ... we suspend those that strike without pay for 1 week. After 2nd strike close system for 2 weeks - we suspend those that strike without pay for 2 weeks ... and so on. See how they feel the pain!!!! Cause public lots of pain ... but Bob Crow must be broken You sound like a well rounded individual, I take it that when you're told that you're not needed any more you'll say "Yeah, okay, go on, bye"? Or will you have some backbone? I am self employed ... so not unusual to be told my contract is not going to be renewed / no longer needed. The past 18 months have been hard ... I do have back bone - and don't sit on my ass expecting something for nothing - and work hard to get my next contract / work. More backbone than some of these sponging Underground workers will ever have. A lot of them only cling on to their cushy job as they know they have not got the backbone to survive in the outside world - so choice strike or scrap heap. Good for nothing striking workers can cost me money. Job cuts are happening in all sectors at the moment ... but we don't see them all going on strike cause they fancy a lazy day off
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:39:23 GMT
Self employed. Fair enough.
Thanks for saying that I sit on my ass expecting something for nothing. Much appreciated. God speed to you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2010 18:50:44 GMT
Self employed. Fair enough. Thanks for saying that I sit on my ass expecting something for nothing. Much appreciated. God speed to you. OK sorry a little harsh ... it is not applicable to all LU workers, there are exceptions ... but I know people that work for LU and hear some of the stories that LU workers get away with. I do not know you or understand your role within LU ... but imagine I am not in a small minority of Londoners that hold nothing but contempt for Bob Crowe's band of LU followers. Transport industry probably accounts for 90+% of all the strikes in the UK ... why - they must have some macabre enjoyment of making everyone's life a misery - maybe because it is so easy for them they just do - so thank you. Times are hard ... public companies and private sector have to makes savings ... face the harsh facts ... everyone else in life does ... a job for life is a thing of the past
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Post by ajw on Aug 25, 2010 19:56:26 GMT
Transport industry probably accounts for 90+% of all the strikes in the UK ... why - they must have some macabre enjoyment of making everyone's life a misery - maybe because it is so easy for them they just do - so thank you. Times are hard ... public companies and private sector have to makes savings ... face the harsh facts ... everyone else in life does ... a job for life is a thing of the past Spot on with that. As disruption to the transport industry causes such chaos those that work in it have more bargaining leverage over other industries for sure. There are other examples too, not surprisingly all of them are essential services such as mail, emergency services, power generation etc.
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Post by snowman on Aug 26, 2010 5:54:37 GMT
Transport industry probably accounts for 90+% of all the strikes in the UK ... why - they must have some macabre enjoyment of making everyone's life a misery - maybe because it is so easy for them they just do - so thank you. Times are hard ... public companies and private sector have to makes savings ... face the harsh facts ... everyone else in life does ... a job for life is a thing of the past Spot on with that. As disruption to the transport industry causes such chaos those that work in it have more bargaining leverage over other industries for sure. There are other examples too, not surprisingly all of them are essential services such as mail, emergency services, power generation etc. The Underground seems to have more strikes than many transport operators (including rail companies), possibly due to spineless management that capitulates nearly every time, so Union get what they want. I do agree with DLA180 earlier comment that they need to get tough, show whos boss and suspend the strikers. If something isn't done soon, then we will be approaching Olympics with this same strike to get far more than we deserve mindset.
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Post by Paul on Aug 26, 2010 13:14:26 GMT
Are there measures in place to prevent strike action during the Olympics? Because it wouldn't surprise me at all to see Crow call for a strike during the Games. What a great image that will project.....
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Post by ServerKing on Aug 26, 2010 16:43:15 GMT
Spot on with that. As disruption to the transport industry causes such chaos those that work in it have more bargaining leverage over other industries for sure. There are other examples too, not surprisingly all of them are essential services such as mail, emergency services, power generation etc. The Underground seems to have more strikes than many transport operators (including rail companies), possibly due to spineless management that capitulates nearly every time, so Union get what they want. I do agree with DLA180 earlier comment that they need to get tough, show whos boss and suspend the strikers. If something isn't done soon, then we will be approaching Olympics with this same strike to get far more than we deserve mindset. It's very insensitive of Bob Crow considering the financial stress we are all under, both tube users and business in London I heard on the news that TfL aim to reassign ticket staff elsewhere when it's quiet or where ticket sales have slowed due to more usage of Oyster. There's rarely strikes on buses, and I think bus drivers face more challenges than tube drivers, and I'm sure they don't bring home so much in the way of salary as LU drivers. Last time I checked tube drivers make around £35k per annum If everyone downed tools the same way in other industries, nothing in this country would ever get done. If I and my IT colleagues were to try that stunt, the employers would just say "there's the door. Later" and come the next day, next man has been hired in my place ;D Oh well, guess it's the 476 and 38 to work on Monday week. I prefer buses. A 476 won't stop and wait for no apparrent reason like on the tube ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2010 17:33:32 GMT
Whilst bus drivers have slightly more contact with the public and other road users, they aren't likely to be stuck somewhere on a bus that's broken down, with up to a thousand people on, that can't just be told to get off and get on the one behind. They don't have to know so much how to fix the bus or how to tell which one of the twenty odd lights in the distance apply to them.
Granted that the shifts and knowing if the bus/train can be in service or not is about the same.
So the different skills, demand different salaries. £40k (which is roughly the Train Op salary now) really isn't that high to live a decent life in London.
And where's the figures to support the number of strikes in the transport industry and LU, or have you made it up?
Anyway. This is about reducing station staff, not just ticket office staff, but station assistants too. It can't be too good, because even TSSA are taking strike action! Of course at present LU are giving off the impression of no compulsory job losses, so it is about making sure that there is not a staff presence on stations, but an adequte one. Yes on Monday, nothing might happen, but on Tuesday there could be a person under a train, flooding, signal failure and a fire alert - all at once.
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Post by snowman on Sept 3, 2010 9:12:52 GMT
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 3, 2010 18:18:35 GMT
I wish unite were as aggressive as the RMT Anyway, I would expect extra buses on the 2, 133, 155 for the northern and victoria lines. Also the 25 and 94 for the central. It will be busy on the 3s and 159s in the west end as many use that to go to and from oxford circus. The buses will get packed at brixton as well.
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Post by snowman on Sept 3, 2010 20:28:24 GMT
I wish unite were as aggressive as the RMT Anyway, I would expect extra buses on the 2, 133, 155 for the northern and victoria lines. Also the 25 and 94 for the central. It will be busy on the 3s and 159s in the west end as many use that to go to and from oxford circus. The buses will get packed at brixton as well. Although I don't know where the extra buses will run, shadowing Northern and Victoria line in South London can't be the best as British Rail is still working from Wimbledon and Brixton. Also The overground is apparently operating full service. Extra buses would be much better deployed where there are no BR alternatives nearby.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2010 22:55:33 GMT
Why would you want to deploy extra buses other than along tube routes? Those are the only places that are going to see increased demand on the bus network by displaced passengers. The lack of a nearby National Rail station is not going to make more people suddenly want to catch a bus in other areas.
And already crowded National Rail services will not be able to cope with having to also carry the much greater numbers that use the tube.
Even if they could, buses would still see increased demand to feed those railway stations. The 155 in particular mirrors the Northern Line but only intersects with Balham, Clapham High Street and Elephant & Castle. That would leave a lot of people that would normally just walk to a local tube station instead wanting to use a bus to get to one of those railway stations.
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