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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2010 3:15:53 GMT
There's rarely strikes on buses, and I think bus drivers face more challenges than tube drivers, and I'm sure they don't bring home so much in the way of salary as LU drivers. Last time I checked tube drivers make around £35k per annum £42,000 actually, though I fail to see what us drivers have to do with it (other than perhaps those that are members of RMT that have been called out by their Union). The strike is primarily about a reduction of around 800 station staff. I've been a bus driver and now I'm a tube driver. It took me 4 weeks training to become fully competent at driving a bus with passengers on my own (that includes gaining the PCV licence). The equivalent on the trains is 20 weeks. That speaks volumes about the differences in the two roles - I should know as I've now done both. I really could type out war and piece on this one but you'd lose the will to live before you read it all. That's not to say bus drivers don't deserve more (funny how everyone knows what train drivers get but don't know what bus drivers get!!) - I would happily agree that they do deserve more - but the comparison starts and ends with just one word: driver
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Post by snowman on Sept 4, 2010 6:19:07 GMT
Why would you want to deploy extra buses other than along tube routes? Those are the only places that are going to see increased demand on the bus network by displaced passengers. The lack of a nearby National Rail station is not going to make more people suddenly want to catch a bus in other areas. And already crowded National Rail services will not be able to cope with having to also carry the much greater numbers that use the tube. Even if they could, buses would still see increased demand to feed those railway stations. The 155 in particular mirrors the Northern Line but only intersects with Balham, Clapham High Street and Elephant & Castle. That would leave a lot of people that would normally just walk to a local tube station instead wanting to use a bus to get to one of those railway stations. Sorry I didn't make myself totally clear, what I meant was if you are only putting on 100 extra buses, then deploy them where there is no BR alternative nearby, if you are putting on 1000 extra buses you can shadow tube routes in addition to covering the no BR / DLR / Overgound areas
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Post by Steve80 on Sept 5, 2010 21:56:46 GMT
There's rarely strikes on buses, and I think bus drivers face more challenges than tube drivers, and I'm sure they don't bring home so much in the way of salary as LU drivers. Last time I checked tube drivers make around £35k per annum £42,000 actually, though I fail to see what us drivers have to do with it (other than perhaps those that are members of RMT that have been called out by their Union). The strike is primarily about a reduction of around 800 station staff. I've been a bus driver and now I'm a tube driver. It took me 4 weeks training to become fully competent at driving a bus with passengers on my own (that includes gaining the PCV licence). The equivalent on the trains is 20 weeks. That speaks volumes about the differences in the two roles - I should know as I've now done both. I really could type out war and piece on this one but you'd lose the will to live before you read it all. That's not to say bus drivers don't deserve more (funny how everyone knows what train drivers get but don't know what bus drivers get!!) - I would happily agree that they do deserve more - but the comparison starts and ends with just one word: driver I originally did think that bus drivers should get more than tube drivers. Having read the comments from vairous other sites as well as here, I realised that they do abit more than just driving from A-B. I still think that bus drivers should get a bit more than they currently get. I can't remember how much I got but I know its not over 28k. As for snowman comment, I can understand that as if your in clapham, you might want to get a bus to clapham junction instead and get a train to wimbledon. Another example of a quick route to wimbledon from clapham common, instead of the northern line to south wimbledon and a bus from there.
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Post by daveb0789 on Sept 6, 2010 7:24:46 GMT
I know I wouldn't like to be driving a London bus on strike days (and i've done it in the past). Another way of comparing rates of pay is hourly. I believe London bus drivers are the best paid in the country and get between £12-£14 an hour. The equivalent hourly rate on the tube is £23 an hour.
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Post by snowman on Sept 7, 2010 7:58:41 GMT
Be vary wary of TfL webpage, strike info is very wrong
Arriving at Waterloo I called a colleague who said Jubilee was suspended Finchley Rd-Stratford on website, but Jubilee was actually running to Stratford from Waterloo
When I got in office I checked TfL website and still shows it wrong, also some of the stations we didn't stop at as they were closed, are shown as open on website
My recommendation, ignore TfL info, and just see if it is open
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Post by beaver14uk on Sept 7, 2010 16:09:29 GMT
To be fair information on a strike day can change minute by minute - I know I have been there Be vary wary of TfL webpage, strike info is very wrong Arriving at Waterloo I called a colleague who said Jubilee was suspended Finchley Rd-Stratford on website, but Jubilee was actually running to Stratford from Waterloo When I got in office I checked TfL website and still shows it wrong, also some of the stations we didn't stop at as they were closed, are shown as open on website My recommendation, ignore TfL info, and just see if it is open
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2010 9:37:10 GMT
Im surprised that a LG palatine 2 was used on the 11. Im also surprised that Tour buses, both open top and closed top weren't put into service. I almost hope that there is another strike so all these odd buses can happen again. lol
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2010 22:48:32 GMT
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Post by Trident on Oct 1, 2010 15:34:42 GMT
There's gonna be another strike coming up on Sunday and lasts throughout Monday. Getting to uni will be an absolute mayhem... And the 69's will be a nightmare for most of the route, between Leyton and Canning Town helping the Central and Jubilee Line's repsectively. But the 158 can do the work between Leyton and Stratford ;D
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Post by Steve80 on Oct 2, 2010 1:23:57 GMT
I got an early job on monday. I hate doing early jobs and I always look to get rid of them but as the strike is on I might keep it just to see how things will go during the day ;D
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 11:09:56 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens on the Central Line on the Epping branch, as TfL haven't put these stations on their list of stations that they hope to keep open. There is no direct bus service from Epping to Loughton (the only service is hourly 541 which operates via Theydon Bois and Abridge, taking just under an hour!) , so I don't know whats going to happen there. Also will be interesting to see if any extra buses will be put on the 20 or 397, especially as they 397 can be used to get to Chingford Station where there isn't a strike...and this is a service which operates every 30 minutes with quite small buses...not sure it will cope, and TfL are only putting extra buses on key routes.
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Post by john on Oct 2, 2010 14:02:17 GMT
There's gonna be another strike coming up on Sunday and lasts throughout Monday. Getting to uni will be an absolute mayhem... That's why i'm planning on going in tomorrow, staying over in a mates dorm and getting to my 9am class bang on time ;D Simplicity
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Post by jay38a on Oct 2, 2010 14:05:51 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens on the Central Line on the Epping branch, as TfL haven't put these stations on their list of stations that they hope to keep open. There is no direct bus service from Epping to Loughton (the only service is hourly 541 which operates via Theydon Bois and Abridge, taking just under an hour!) , so I don't know whats going to happen there. Also will be interesting to see if any extra buses will be put on the 20 or 397, especially as they 397 can be used to get to Chingford Station where there isn't a strike...and this is a service which operates every 30 minutes with quite small buses...not sure it will cope, and TfL are only putting extra buses on key routes. You never know TfL and ECC might co-operate and get Regal Busways to run the H1 on Monday between Epping Station and Loughton Station only. The people from Theydon Boyes can get the 541, Alex can the 541 take longer buses like the Volvo and Dennis/Wright Crusaders or Greenline Citaros.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 16:00:54 GMT
Will be interesting to see what happens on the Central Line on the Epping branch, as TfL haven't put these stations on their list of stations that they hope to keep open. There is no direct bus service from Epping to Loughton (the only service is hourly 541 which operates via Theydon Bois and Abridge, taking just under an hour!) , so I don't know whats going to happen there. Also will be interesting to see if any extra buses will be put on the 20 or 397, especially as they 397 can be used to get to Chingford Station where there isn't a strike...and this is a service which operates every 30 minutes with quite small buses...not sure it will cope, and TfL are only putting extra buses on key routes. So long as the equipment that shows the Train Op the doors is working, these stations can be left without staff. Lots are already.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 2, 2010 16:09:40 GMT
There's gonna be another strike coming up on Sunday and lasts throughout Monday. Getting to uni will be an absolute mayhem... That's why i'm planning on going in tomorrow, staying over in a mates dorm and getting to my 9am class bang on time ;D Simplicity I guess that I'll have to get the Overground to Barking and then a 366 down to Cyprus which takes ages. If all else fails, I've gotta get 4 buses!
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