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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2010 19:14:59 GMT
Well, as a student, you will be on one of your many holidays no doubt, so it should not affect you! As a student it will, as I'm a frequent user of the LU. By bus getting to Holloway from Bethnal Green is a mission in rush hour. Well come to think of it, getting to A to B by bus is a mission during rush hour. yes, but that is NOT the point! You were bemoaning the fact that YOU would be inconvenienced by a further strike on LU immediately after Christmas. As a student, as you will be on holiday, all that will suffer will be your LEISURE activities!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2010 19:20:28 GMT
As a student it will, as I'm a frequent user of the LU. By bus getting to Holloway from Bethnal Green is a mission in rush hour. Well come to think of it, getting to A to B by bus is a mission during rush hour. yes, but that is NOT the point! You were bemoaning the fact that YOU would be inconvenienced by a further strike on LU immediately after Christmas. As a student, as you will be on holiday, all that will suffer will be your LEISURE activities! Never thought of it that way... apologize..
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Post by john on Dec 1, 2010 14:46:13 GMT
As a FEE PAYING student, these strikes are doing my bloody head in!!! Decided to check another route out this time by getting the 174 to Romford (while grabbing breakfast ;D) then the 5 to Barking and finally the waiting 366 to Cyprus! Still took me the same amount of time as other routes, but was a nightmare. I myself think the RMT are being ridiculous. Everyone in this day and age has to suffer from the cuts being implemented (even students in some form) but for them to sit there and say "no, we won't work, we'll strike over something pitiful", well, defeats me. As I understand, the proposal is the close booking offices and move staff from there to other areas of employment WITHIN the station itself?? If this is the case, as I discussed with my lecturer in one module, then where's the problem? Staff numbers will remain the same so safety should not, and I emphasize the should not part, be a major worry surely? Oh and for the record, I paid £3225 for the final year of my degree if anyone wants to know
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2010 1:03:04 GMT
850 frontline operational staff jobs are being lost.
Granted not all of those 850 are ticket office staff, though more than 50% are, and I'll also grant you that these loses are being catered for by voluntary severance or leaving vacancies unfilled.
But to say that ticket office staff are being re-deployed on stations is...well here's a clue, 150 of those 850 jobs are CSA's. CSA's are the people you see manning gatelines & platforms - so how can over 450 people be moved from the ticket office to the gateline or platforms when 150 of those very jobs are going?
The RMT strike is basically a protest at the 850 job loses. It is as simple as that. I'm not in the RMT (or TSSA who you should remember are also involved) and quite frankly I'm glad I ain't as I don't think the strikes are the way to make the protest, however that is the route they have chosen and that's that really.
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Post by john on Dec 2, 2010 12:00:58 GMT
850 frontline operational staff jobs are being lost. Granted not all of those 850 are ticket office staff, though more than 50% are, and I'll also grant you that these loses are being catered for by voluntary severance or leaving vacancies unfilled. But to say that ticket office staff are being re-deployed on stations is...well here's a clue, 150 of those 850 jobs are CSA's. CSA's are the people you see manning gatelines & platforms - so how can over 450 people be moved from the ticket office to the gateline or platforms when 150 of those very jobs are going? The RMT strike is basically a protest at the 850 job loses. It is as simple as that. I'm not in the RMT (or TSSA who you should remember are also involved) and quite frankly I'm glad I ain't as I don't think the strikes are the way to make the protest, however that is the route they have chosen and that's that really. Well, when you only hear bits from the media, it's hard to get the truth ;D I see the reasoning for the strikes now, but it still doesn't make the whole thing correct, like you said. The gates are a stupid thing. They are the frontline for passengers and how they deal with travelling on the network if they are unfamiliar with it. Saying that, I also don't agree with how those kids are acting with the student fee's, but hey, life always throws up strange times
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2010 18:38:49 GMT
850 frontline operational staff jobs are being lost. Granted not all of those 850 are ticket office staff, though more than 50% are, and I'll also grant you that these loses are being catered for by voluntary severance or leaving vacancies unfilled. But to say that ticket office staff are being re-deployed on stations is...well here's a clue, 150 of those 850 jobs are CSA's. CSA's are the people you see manning gatelines & platforms - so how can over 450 people be moved from the ticket office to the gateline or platforms when 150 of those very jobs are going? The RMT strike is basically a protest at the 850 job loses. It is as simple as that. I'm not in the RMT (or TSSA who you should remember are also involved) and quite frankly I'm glad I ain't as I don't think the strikes are the way to make the protest, however that is the route they have chosen and that's that really. Well, when you only hear bits from the media, it's hard to get the truth ;D I see the reasoning for the strikes now, but it still doesn't make the whole thing correct, like you said. The gates are a stupid thing. They are the frontline for passengers and how they deal with travelling on the network if they are unfamiliar with it. Saying that, I also don't agree with how those kids are acting with the student fee's, but hey, life always throws up strange times LU's approach is reasonable there is far less demand for tickets nowadays so reducing the number of staff in ticket offices is sensible. Most of the staff will be redeployed to the ticket barriers and platforms but in some cases where there are excess ticket barrier staff some of those jobs will go.
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Post by john on Dec 11, 2010 14:06:17 GMT
LU's approach is reasonable there is far less demand for tickets nowadays so reducing the number of staff in ticket offices is sensible. Most of the staff will be redeployed to the ticket barriers and platforms but in some cases where there are excess ticket barrier staff some of those jobs will go. I think I may start calling you Polly from now on.....I do seem to recall myself and colin already having covered these points a previously Polly want a cracker???
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Post by jay38a on Dec 23, 2010 20:32:31 GMT
was reading in the "Evening Substandard" tonight on the way back from work that TfL are trying a court injunction to stop the strike on Boxing Day from going ahead. If it did go ahead i can see it cause havoc as buses are only running Sunday services and to make it worse its one of the busiest shopping days as its when the sales officially start (although some shops have their January Sales already).
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Post by snowman on Dec 23, 2010 20:51:50 GMT
was reading in the "Evening Substandard" tonight on the way back from work that TfL are trying a court injunction to stop the strike on Boxing Day from going ahead. If it did go ahead i can see it cause havoc as buses are only running Sunday services and to make it worse its one of the busiest shopping days as its when the sales officially start (although some shops have their January Sales already). Apparently strike going ahead as legal ojection failed www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12066994
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Post by greeny253 on Dec 23, 2010 22:21:38 GMT
was reading in the "Evening Substandard" tonight on the way back from work that TfL are trying a court injunction to stop the strike on Boxing Day from going ahead. If it did go ahead i can see it cause havoc as buses are only running Sunday services and to make it worse its one of the busiest shopping days as its when the sales officially start (although some shops have their January Sales already). Apparently strike going ahead as legal ojection failed www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-12066994Glad I'm off ;D ;D How many is that now this year alone?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2010 23:39:15 GMT
Glad I'm off ;D ;D How many is that now this year alone? I have just fired off an email to aslef as the comments by their spokesman that workers in the retail sector get paid triple time are utterly ludicrous. Unions were good in their day and they could be aggain but change needs to happen on a large scale to bring them under control.
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Post by greeny253 on Dec 26, 2010 15:54:59 GMT
Unions were good in their day and they could be aggain but change needs to happen on a large scale to bring them under control. Agreed. LUL spend far too much time on strike.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 8:46:13 GMT
Glad I'm off ;D ;D How many is that now this year alone? I have just fired off an email to aslef as the comments by their spokesman that workers in the retail sector get paid triple time are utterly ludicrous. Unions were good in their day and they could be aggain but change needs to happen on a large scale to bring them under control. To demand triple pay and a day off is totally unreasonable. As I understand it there wad an agreement in place that Boxing day would be treated as a normal day in return for increased pay and holidays. ASLEF appear to want to back out of that agreement now. In most jobs that require shift & bank holiday pay most people would be paid basic pay plus a shift allowance The pay rates , hours & holidays for drivers on LU are very generous indeed. They are now trying to uses Bank holidays to gain them even more money. The pay they get already reflects the need for shift work & weekend & Bank holiday working. Unfortunately I think the time has come that ASLEF were put into place. If that means sacking drivers and replacing them then so be it as if action is not taken things will get even worse.They are now striking or working to rule on a regular basis. Time to call a halt to this.
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Post by john on Dec 31, 2010 14:43:06 GMT
I have just fired off an email to aslef as the comments by their spokesman that workers in the retail sector get paid triple time are utterly ludicrous. Unions were good in their day and they could be aggain but change needs to happen on a large scale to bring them under control. To demand triple pay and a day off is totally unreasonable. As I understand it there wad an agreement in place that Boxing day would be treated as a normal day in return for increased pay and holidays. ASLEF appear to want to back out of that agreement now. In most jobs that require shift & bank holiday pay most people would be paid basic pay plus a shift allowance The pay rates , hours & holidays for drivers on LU are very generous indeed. They are now trying to uses Bank holidays to gain them even more money. The pay they get already reflects the need for shift work & weekend & Bank holiday working. Unfortunately I think the time has come that ASLEF were put into place. If that means sacking drivers and replacing them then so be it as if action is not taken things will get even worse.They are now striking or working to rule on a regular basis. Time to call a halt to this. Sorry, you cannot stop working to rule. That, for me, is perfectly fine. You carry on about bus drivers working stupid hours and not being legally suitable to drive, and yet you seem to think that for tube drivers to work longer hours, which working to rule stops, is perfectly acceptable?? Also, the general rule for retail is you either get basic pay, as quite a few do give, time and half or double time. In my own employment, we're paid basic rate for bank holidays, though tomorrow (New Year's Day) those working are being paid double time if they're on an older contract without contracted hours. I'm not sticking up for the tube workers, though I did have a very helpful member of staff at Camden Town last night tell me the best way home by bus, but if you're going to use retail as an arguement against them, I suggest you get the facts and not your own made up points when doing so. Different employment contracts will determine rates of pay. In fact, maybe some of the drivers here can comment on their own companies structures??
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2010 18:41:12 GMT
To demand triple pay and a day off is totally unreasonable. As I understand it there wad an agreement in place that Boxing day would be treated as a normal day in return for increased pay and holidays. ASLEF appear to want to back out of that agreement now. In most jobs that require shift & bank holiday pay most people would be paid basic pay plus a shift allowance The pay rates , hours & holidays for drivers on LU are very generous indeed. They are now trying to uses Bank holidays to gain them even more money. The pay they get already reflects the need for shift work & weekend & Bank holiday working. Unfortunately I think the time has come that ASLEF were put into place. If that means sacking drivers and replacing them then so be it as if action is not taken things will get even worse.They are now striking or working to rule on a regular basis. Time to call a halt to this. Sorry, you cannot stop working to rule. That, for me, is perfectly fine. You carry on about bus drivers working stupid hours and not being legally suitable to drive, and yet you seem to think that for tube drivers to work longer hours, which working to rule stops, is perfectly acceptable?? Also, the general rule for retail is you either get basic pay, as quite a few do give, time and half or double time. In my own employment, we're paid basic rate for bank holidays, though tomorrow (New Year's Day) those working are being paid double time if they're on an older contract without contracted hours. I'm not sticking up for the tube workers, though I did have a very helpful member of staff at Camden Town last night tell me the best way home by bus, but if you're going to use retail as an arguement against them, I suggest you get the facts and not your own made up points when doing so. Different employment contracts will determine rates of pay. In fact, maybe some of the drivers here can comment on their own companies structures?? Tube driver thoough do not work long hours. The maximum shift they can work is 8 hours
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