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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 11:26:42 GMT
I guess you're right that the VWs are a mixed bag. I often use the E2 and loathe the sluggish VWs however you're right that not all Metroline VWs are the same. VMHs for the 240 would be interesting and I'd certainly like to see your theory come to fruition. I would very much like the theory to come true too, however I can see the VMHs being prioritised for bigger routes and potential gains sadly - but there is always the off chance! Whatever ends up on the 240 will need enough power to cope with the hills though. Went on TE985 & 990 today and both did a decent job, although the cooling fans kicked in half way up - but thats usual as its a steep hill. For now I am happy that the TEs have a slightly extended lease on the route, although I'm sure that will sadly be over soon when the 43/134 both get all required electrics, ousting current vehicles either directly or indirectly. As a daily user of the route, I am also happy that the TEs have stayed for a little while longer, though the 56/57/08 reg examples are struggling increasingly up the steep hills. The poor air cooling system however makes me long for the introduction of a new type more and more, whether it be VWs or VMHs... Nevertheless, this is a discussion to be continued in the Metroline thread!
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Post by COBO on Jul 13, 2019 22:40:54 GMT
Unless RATP have plans for the VHs from the 94. Shouldn't the ADHs and VHs from the 94 be enough for the 266? Why does it need ADEs from the 81, ADHs from the E3 and VHs from the 285?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2019 22:52:33 GMT
Unless RATP have plans for the VHs from the 94. Shouldn't the ADHs and VHs from the 94 be enough for the 266? Why does it need ADEs from the 81, ADHs from the E3 and VHs from the 285? All of the above are TfL acceptable assets for the 266 contract. So it flows that RATP have decided to use the cobbled together allocation on the 266. They’re not a bad collection of buses by any standards. In turn, the electrification of the 94 will either improve an existing route , or be used as a base for a new contract. Sadly the losers are still the 79 passengers and the 81 passengers who will be put to sleep on slow , monotone Metroline VW’s.
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Post by vjaska on Jul 14, 2019 0:11:33 GMT
Unless RATP have plans for the VHs from the 94. Shouldn't the ADHs and VHs from the 94 be enough for the 266? Why does it need ADEs from the 81, ADHs from the E3 and VHs from the 285? Presumably, the 94's VH's have been earmarked for a different route which is why the 266 isn't down to receive them. If I'm right, then I'd guess they'd end up on the 65.
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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2019 0:13:41 GMT
Unless RATP have plans for the VHs from the 94. Shouldn't the ADHs and VHs from the 94 be enough for the 266? Why does it need ADEs from the 81, ADHs from the E3 and VHs from the 285? Presumably, the 94's VH's have been earmarked for a different route which is why the 266 isn't down to receive them. If I'm right, then I'd guess they'd end up on the 65. Make sense.
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Post by COBO on Jul 14, 2019 0:14:21 GMT
Wasn't the 281 meant to be getting VHs what happended to them?
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Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2019 4:16:17 GMT
Unless RATP have plans for the VHs from the 94. Shouldn't the ADHs and VHs from the 94 be enough for the 266? Why does it need ADEs from the 81, ADHs from the E3 and VHs from the 285? 266 is gained in December, the electric buses for 94 arrive in Q1 2020 so need whatever is available in interim Clearly the assortment on 266 are temporary, probably become ADH (my guess) once those on 94 become free I suspect the ADEs will then either move to something like 79 or 406 and the VHs to 65 But the final version will depend on the 139 and 285 tender results due in 2-3 months
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Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2019 4:21:23 GMT
Wasn't the 281 meant to be getting VHs what happended to them? Not the 281, but it’s school derivative the 681 is due 2 new buses, VH45318, 45319 Don’t think they have been delivered yet, and will probably be used mainly on 65
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Post by rif153 on Jul 14, 2019 7:40:31 GMT
Wasn't the 281 meant to be getting VHs what happended to them? I do remember reading on lots that RATP has ordered ten new VHs for the 65/281, but obviously those buses are only seeing use on the 65. My guess is that FW are preparing for the Uxbridge Road LEBZ (which the 65 uses a short section of) and so FW are sorting out their allocations now so they don't make a mistake when the LEBZ is live
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Post by rif153 on Jul 14, 2019 7:45:51 GMT
I wonder if we'll see the ADHs/VHs from the 94 use for an existing vehicles bid for the 23. The 94 has a TVR of 28 and the 23 has a TVR of 27 so the number of buses fits near perfectly.
However I do think it's more plausible the VHs go to FW for the 65, as for the ADHs, RP/BT are good shouts.
Remember RATP have little to gain from putting new buses on routes they already have whereas if they were to nab the 23 an existing vehicles bid wouldn't do them any harm.
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Post by george on Jul 14, 2019 8:00:38 GMT
Wasn't the 281 meant to be getting VHs what happended to them? I do remember reading on lots that RATP has ordered ten new VHs for the 65/281, but obviously those buses are only seeing use on the 65. My guess is that FW are preparing for the Uxbridge Road LEBZ (which the 65 uses a short section of) and so FW are sorting out their allocations now so they don't make a mistake when the LEBZ is live If I remember rightly they will be allocated to the 65 but all 281 drivers would be trained on them.
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Post by YY13VKP on Jul 14, 2019 8:49:05 GMT
Wasn't the 281 meant to be getting VHs what happended to them? Not the 281, but it’s school derivative the 681 is due 2 new buses, VH45318, 45319 Don’t think they have been delivered yet, and will probably be used mainly on 65 They were ordered against the 406 contract
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Post by rif153 on Jul 14, 2019 8:50:20 GMT
Not the 281, but it’s school derivative the 681 is due 2 new buses, VH45318, 45319 Don’t think they have been delivered yet, and will probably be used mainly on 65 They were ordered against the 406 contract VH45310-7 were ordered against the 406's contract. VH45318-9 were ordered against the 681's contract
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Post by ADH45258 on Jul 14, 2019 9:16:50 GMT
I wonder if we'll see the ADHs/VHs from the 94 use for an existing vehicles bid for the 23. The 94 has a TVR of 28 and the 23 has a TVR of 27 so the number of buses fits near perfectly. However I do think it's more plausible the VHs go to FW for the 65, as for the ADHs, RP/BT are good shouts. Remember RATP have little to gain from putting new buses on routes they already have whereas if they were to nab the 23 an existing vehicles bid wouldn't do them any harm. If RATP win the 23, I could see it gain electric DDs as with the 94.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 14, 2019 9:22:24 GMT
I wonder if we'll see the ADHs/VHs from the 94 use for an existing vehicles bid for the 23. The 94 has a TVR of 28 and the 23 has a TVR of 27 so the number of buses fits near perfectly. However I do think it's more plausible the VHs go to FW for the 65, as for the ADHs, RP/BT are good shouts. Remember RATP have little to gain from putting new buses on routes they already have whereas if they were to nab the 23 an existing vehicles bid wouldn't do them any harm. If RATP win the 23, I could see it gain electric DDs as with the 94. The 23 doesn't even enter the ULEZ and doesn't run through areas as polluted as those the 43, and 94 do. I think if RATP were to win the 23 they'd probably go for V seeing as there'll be plenty of space there once the 27 is lost in November. The 23, and 27 both have a PVR of 24 so the 23 would perfectly fill the hole left by the 27 as well as give V some replacement work for the 27
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