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Post by snowman on Aug 17, 2019 16:29:46 GMT
I wonder where the extra buses will come from. My hunch is the 265’s extras will cease and be used for the 419 instead. That's a reasonable suggestion, not sure Roehampton needs both 265 short extras and 419 Could also potentially double deck something as 81 fleet sitting around, although I would assume that would be temporary until 6 Dec, assuming the 391 gets split on 7 Dec when other West London new routes start. (The 391 would release DLEs, although 306 would need double decks) I assume the 110 merger is off if this is happening which implies now cannot do other changes to free stand space, so do they now need extra DXEs for H37.
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Post by galwhv69 on Aug 17, 2019 16:37:16 GMT
Could the OV's be temporarily used as a part allocation for the 419?
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Post by paulo on Aug 17, 2019 17:04:30 GMT
DE20057-65 will be used I would say. The euro 6 upgrades will be completed by then.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 17:30:01 GMT
419 getting extended to Roehampton (Credit to Matthew Cook on The Londoner group on Facebook) I assume the 265 extras will cease from the same date?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 17, 2019 20:13:38 GMT
419 getting extended to Roehampton (Credit to Matthew Cook on The Londoner group on Facebook) I assume the 265 extras will cease from the same date? Great minds think alike it seems - see above post
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Post by redexpress on Aug 17, 2019 20:15:59 GMT
419 getting extended to Roehampton (Credit to Matthew Cook on The Londoner group on Facebook) Funnily enough the extended 419 will be almost identical to what the 485 was from 2001-2003. The only difference will be the routeing between Mortlake and Richmond, where the 485 crossed the level crossing at Mortlake then ran via Upper Richmond Road.
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 17, 2019 20:19:07 GMT
I would say the 419 would go up to every 12 mins. The Bridge closure is proving costly for TfL as I'm sure with the 419 extension/increase, shorts on the 265 and new route 378 and temp route 533 cost more then the 72 curtailed to the north side and the half mile saved from the 33/209/485 plus the slighy drop in freq on the 209. Ironic when there most likely has been a switch to trains from Barnes Bridge and Mortlake in lieu of lack of connection to Hammersmith tube by bus.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2019 20:23:52 GMT
Will the 303 need an extra bus or two when its diversions finish on the 24th? I believe the frequency is being 'restored' and the PVR should then increase..?
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Post by rj131 on Aug 17, 2019 21:03:26 GMT
419 getting extended to Roehampton (Credit to Matthew Cook on The Londoner group on Facebook) View AttachmentVery very interesting that, considering we’re waiting on the results of the Richmond consultation with involves the route getting withdrawn. This for me all but confirms the 419 won’t be withdrawn. I had an instinct the route wouldn’t get canned anyway as withdrawing it this side of the mayoral election could play very much against them, especially how much they’ve stressed outer London will be seeing improvements in services. I’m glad this looks to have been put in the bin as this depends on the H37 reduction, and considering how insanely busy the H37 is it really should be left as it is. Not that it’s ever stopped TfL (25, proposed 140...). Realistically the route needs an increase not a cut.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 17, 2019 21:04:48 GMT
My hunch is the 265’s extras will cease and be used for the 419 instead. That's a reasonable suggestion, not sure Roehampton needs both 265 short extras and 419 Could also potentially double deck something as 81 fleet sitting around, although I would assume that would be temporary until 6 Dec, assuming the 391 gets split on 7 Dec when other West London new routes start. (The 391 would release DLEs, although 306 would need double decks) I assume the 110 merger is off if this is happening which implies now cannot do other changes to free stand space, so do they now need extra DXEs for H37. The 110/419 merge now looks to be kicked into the long grass. Essentially, I think the end goal would still be to merge the two but the bridge closure has hampered that so I expect the Richmond area changes to be cancelled/postponed indefinitely. It'll take three years to repair the bridge so the situation with the H37 having an insufficient number of DXEs can't continue. I wonder if the H37's PVR cut may be pushed through under the radar to save the pain of ordering extra DXEs which would be superflous in future (assuming the Richmond changes go ahead eventually) or TfL will have to fork out for extra money for the last few DXEs
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Post by southlondonbus on Aug 17, 2019 21:10:49 GMT
The H22 could still get cut aswell which could free enough buses for the 419. The 110 could be brought into Richmond and terminate at Manor Circus allowing the H37 to reduce. Main issue is without the 419 vacating space then the 493 can't fit into the bus station. Either way a slight H37 cut and the H22 would still take about 7 bph from The town centre to Manor Circus then at a later date 4 bph could be cut with the 493 and the 110/419 merged would take another 4 bph.
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Post by rj131 on Aug 17, 2019 21:15:57 GMT
I’ve just realised if there is a plan to merge the 419/110 further down the line and cut the H37 ... One way to get extra DXEs for the H37 would be to stick some deckers on the 293 as it can take them, then plonk from DXEs from there onto the H37 in the interim, bit like what the 203’s doing.
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Post by E279 on Aug 17, 2019 21:21:05 GMT
I’ve just realised if there is a plan to merge the 419/110 further down the line and cut the H37 ... One way to get extra DXEs for the H37 would be to stick some deckers on the 293 as it can take them, then plonk from DXEs from there onto the H37 in the interim, bit like what the 203’s doing. Not sure the 203 is actually covering for MCLs on the H37 anymore seeing as the H37 hasn't seen a single MCL in over a month, it's been using DLE (E200s) and DLE (E200 MMCs.) Usually it sees its DXEs plus 1 SN60 and 1 YX17 reg per day. Also the ones that were used on the H37 over a month ago appear to be missing which leads me to wonder if the 203 could receive a DD conversion which would oust the non standard type.
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Post by rif153 on Aug 17, 2019 21:22:57 GMT
I’ve just realised if there is a plan to merge the 419/110 further down the line and cut the H37 ... One way to get extra DXEs for the H37 would be to stick some deckers on the 293 as it can take them, then plonk from DXEs from there onto the H37 in the interim, bit like what the 203’s doing. Not sure the 203 is actually covering for MCLs on the H37 anymore seeing as the H37 hasn't seen a single MCL in over a month, it's been using DLE (E200s) and DLE (E200 MMCs.) Usually it sees its DXEs plus 1 SN60 and 1 YX17 reg per day. Also the ones that were used on the H37 over a month ago appear to be missing which leads me to wonder if the 203 could receive a DD conversion which would oust the non standard type. Keeping some of the E3's SPs would've been a good idea as it would've allowed RATP to oust the older 56-reg examples, and the E3's batch could've been used on the 203 now. Either way, I think a DD conversion is on the cards for either the 203 or 293
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Post by vjaska on Aug 18, 2019 0:35:41 GMT
Not sure the 203 is actually covering for MCLs on the H37 anymore seeing as the H37 hasn't seen a single MCL in over a month, it's been using DLE (E200s) and DLE (E200 MMCs.) Usually it sees its DXEs plus 1 SN60 and 1 YX17 reg per day. Also the ones that were used on the H37 over a month ago appear to be missing which leads me to wonder if the 203 could receive a DD conversion which would oust the non standard type. Keeping some of the E3's SPs would've been a good idea as it would've allowed RATP to oust the older 56-reg examples, and the E3's batch could've been used on the 203 now. Either way, I think a DD conversion is on the cards for either the 203 or 293 The ex 10 & E3's SP's were leased whilst the 56 reg SP's are owned so makes more sense to keep the 56 reg SP's.
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