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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 31, 2019 16:23:47 GMT
Apparently the 306 is using ex 18 VHs? Is there a PVR cut for the 18? Source: LBOTG Tenders Page
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 31, 2019 16:49:52 GMT
Iv always found the 18 to be pretty busy so I doubt much could be cut from it.
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Post by george on Oct 31, 2019 16:51:31 GMT
Iv always found the 18 to be pretty busy so I doubt much could be cut from it. I find some buses very busy and others fairly empty. Only have used the route from Willesden to Euston so not sure about the other sections.
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Post by WSD3 on Oct 31, 2019 16:54:38 GMT
Apparently the 306 is using ex 18 VHs? Is there a PVR cut for the 18? Source: LBOTG Tenders Page I was thinking the same when i had a look yesterday
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 31, 2019 17:02:25 GMT
Apparently the 306 is using ex 18 VHs? Is there a PVR cut for the 18? Source: LBOTG Tenders Page I was thinking the same when i had a look yesterday It’s just a bit unusual and no news about the 18 or a PVR cut had ever popped up. The only other routes I can think of that could use a PVR cut are the H91 and 285. Never mind the 105- far too busy really needs a PVR INCREASE. If possible for the H91 I would reintroduce the cross linking with the 635 releasing 3 VHs.
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Post by snowman on Oct 31, 2019 17:03:08 GMT
Apparently the 306 is using ex 18 VHs? Is there a PVR cut for the 18? Source: LBOTG Tenders Page Wasn't aware of a planned cut that would release enough buses. There has been talk of cutting back from Euston when HS2 work spreads From memory the 18 had a mix of new VHs and some reallocated from aborted double decking of 72, maybe it is the reallocated ones.
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Post by LK65EBO on Oct 31, 2019 17:05:08 GMT
Apparently the 306 is using ex 18 VHs? Is there a PVR cut for the 18? Source: LBOTG Tenders Page Wasn't aware of a planned cut that would release enough buses. There has been talk of cutting back from Euston when HS2 work spreads From memory the 18 had a mix of new VHs and some reallocated from aborted double decking of 72, maybe it is the reallocated ones. Which VHs were the ones originally ordered for the 72
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 31, 2019 18:13:13 GMT
Iv always found the 18 to be pretty busy so I doubt much could be cut from it. I find some buses very busy and others fairly empty. Only have used the route from Willesden to Euston so not sure about the other sections. I've often used the 18 for various journeys between Maida Hill and Euston, and is rarely busy on this section, certainly not requiring such a high frequency here. I suspect the 18 is busier elsewhere, particularly as it mostly unparalleled for most of the Wembley-Maida Hill section. However, I do not think the 18 should by any means be cut back from Euston, as the 205 is usually very busy so could not take any displaced passengers on the Euston-Paddington corridor. Perhaps the 18 could be split, with maybe a Sudbury-Paddington route and another from Euston to Willesden Junction or Central Middlesex Hospital?
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Post by george on Oct 31, 2019 18:18:34 GMT
I find some buses very busy and others fairly empty. Only have used the route from Willesden to Euston so not sure about the other sections. I've often used the 18 for various journeys between Maida Hill and Euston, and is rarely busy on this section, certainly not requiring such a high frequency here. I suspect the 18 is busier elsewhere, particularly as it mostly unparalleled for most of the Wembley-Maida Hill section. However, I do not think the 18 should by any means be cut back from Euston, as the 205 is usually very busy so could not take any displaced passengers on the Euston-Paddington corridor. Perhaps the 18 could be split, with maybe a Sudbury-Paddington route and another from Euston to Willesden Junction or Central Middlesex Hospital? *unpopular opinion* Same applies for the 38, Frequency is far too high IMO.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 31, 2019 18:24:13 GMT
Wasn't aware of a planned cut that would release enough buses. There has been talk of cutting back from Euston when HS2 work spreads From memory the 18 had a mix of new VHs and some reallocated from aborted double decking of 72, maybe it is the reallocated ones. Which VHs were the ones originally ordered for the 72 Not too clear, as various batches of 65/16/66reg VHs were swapped between garages at one point. I think the 16/66reg batch used on route 94 had been intended for the 72. The 85's similar batch was not affected by various swaps. The 65reg batch were likely ordered against the PVR increases on routes 65 & 183 (increase of 3 and 6 respectively, with this being a batch of 9 vehicles), though did eventually go elsewhere. The 18's existing VHs would likely have been displaced partly by the PVR difference between the 72 & 94 (as not all of the VHs ordered for the 72 were needed to replace the 94's TLAs). Use of the 6 VHRs on route 183 would also have indirectly released some VHs to the 18 - the VHRs were originally used on the 13/139 (plus the temporary school routes at BT) but swapped due to fare evasion in central London (due to confusion with LTs).
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Post by rj131 on Oct 31, 2019 18:27:41 GMT
I've often used the 18 for various journeys between Maida Hill and Euston, and is rarely busy on this section, certainly not requiring such a high frequency here. I suspect the 18 is busier elsewhere, particularly as it mostly unparalleled for most of the Wembley-Maida Hill section. However, I do not think the 18 should by any means be cut back from Euston, as the 205 is usually very busy so could not take any displaced passengers on the Euston-Paddington corridor. Perhaps the 18 could be split, with maybe a Sudbury-Paddington route and another from Euston to Willesden Junction or Central Middlesex Hospital? *unpopular opinion* Same applies for the 38, Frequency is far too high IMO. 38, definitely. 18, definitely not 😂 I remember when I went to the Wembley Outlet to go shopping, we took the 18 back to Euston and every single 18 going the other way was rammed. Our bus going to Euston was also rammed. In the peaks every 18 is rammed it has a frequency of every 4 minutes and still requires additional journeys, it’s a ridiculously busy route lol. One thing I’ll give you though is that it is on a real downward slide at the moment. It carried nearly (aptly lol) 18 million in a year at one point (2011/12), now I estimate it to be just over 15 million should the old calculations still have been used.
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Post by ADH45258 on Oct 31, 2019 18:28:02 GMT
I've often used the 18 for various journeys between Maida Hill and Euston, and is rarely busy on this section, certainly not requiring such a high frequency here. I suspect the 18 is busier elsewhere, particularly as it mostly unparalleled for most of the Wembley-Maida Hill section. However, I do not think the 18 should by any means be cut back from Euston, as the 205 is usually very busy so could not take any displaced passengers on the Euston-Paddington corridor. Perhaps the 18 could be split, with maybe a Sudbury-Paddington route and another from Euston to Willesden Junction or Central Middlesex Hospital? *unpopular opinion* Same applies for the 38, Frequency is far too high IMO. TFL clearly realised frequency was too high over this corridor, hence the original plans to cut back the 19. However, reducing the 38's frequency instead would avoid breaking any links. The service pattern could also possibly be simplified on the 38 by continuing all journeys to Clapton.
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Post by george on Oct 31, 2019 18:36:35 GMT
*unpopular opinion* Same applies for the 38, Frequency is far too high IMO. TFL clearly realised frequency was too high over this corridor, hence the original plans to cut back the 19. However, reducing the 38's frequency instead would avoid breaking any links. The service pattern could also possibly be simplified on the 38 by continuing all journeys to Clapton. That's what should happen bit like what happened with the 72 the Roehampton to Brook Green extras were withdrawn.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 31, 2019 19:37:27 GMT
*unpopular opinion* Same applies for the 38, Frequency is far too high IMO. 38, definitely. 18, definitely not 😂 I remember when I went to the Wembley Outlet to go shopping, we took the 18 back to Euston and every single 18 going the other way was rammed. Our bus going to Euston was also rammed. In the peaks every 18 is rammed it has a frequency of every 4 minutes and still requires additional journeys, it’s a ridiculously busy route lol. One thing I’ll give you though is that it is on a real downward slide at the moment. It carried nearly (aptly lol) 18 million in a year at one point (2011/12), now I estimate it to be just over 15 million should the old calculations still have been used. I agree. I use the 18 about once or twice a fortnight. Its a really busy route, and a frequency cut wouldn't go down well. The route is busiest between Wembley and Maida Hill from my experiences, but the whole route is very well used. It shouldn't have a frequency cut as this would be a disaster, and make overcrowding even worse. I think that a frequency cut for the 18 may be in the pipeline though, TfL have already cut the frequencies of busy routes like the 12 and 25, purging these routes which both used to run with 4 minute headways. A frequency cut for the 38 is well overdue.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 31, 2019 19:41:06 GMT
Apparently the 306 is using ex 18 VHs? Is there a PVR cut for the 18? Source: LBOTG Tenders Page That's odd. I recall reading on here that the surplus SPs at FW (since VH45310-17 entered service) would transfer to HH to release some VHs from he 285 to the 306.
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