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Post by snowman on Nov 21, 2019 14:12:54 GMT
With the 266 (gained) and 306 (new, split of 391) in just over 2 weeks, time for a summary of the double decks which are not currently in use. Presumably some of these will be for these additional routes
ADE 40421, 423, 424, 428, 431, 433, 439-433 ADH 45005, 011, 040, 042, 045-047 SP 40009, 040, 063, 071, 076, 104, 112-114, 117, 200 VH 45105, 127, 140, 162, 163, 186, 227, 237, 239
no obvious batches, so have to see what gets used in the end, and some of these may be out for other reasons (upgrades, repair etc)
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Post by E279 on Nov 21, 2019 15:10:24 GMT
With the 266 (gained) and 306 (new, split of 391) in just over 2 weeks, time for a summary of the double decks which are not currently in use. Presumably some of these will be for these additional routes ADE 40421, 423, 424, 428, 431, 433, 439-433 ADH 45005, 011, 040, 042, 045-047 SP 40009, 040, 063, 071, 076, 104, 112-114, 117, 200 VH 45105, 127, 140, 162, 163, 186, 227, 237, 239 no obvious batches, so have to see what gets used in the end, and some of these may be out for other reasons (upgrades, repair etc) Not sure about the 306 but the 266 should be receiving Ex-81 ADEs which have been refurbished and heading to RP via other garages/ just heading to RP apart from 1 as it is needed at Epsom. ADH45039-48 should be the 10 ADHs for the 266.
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Post by paulo on Nov 21, 2019 15:26:19 GMT
With the 266 (gained) and 306 (new, split of 391) in just over 2 weeks, time for a summary of the double decks which are not currently in use. Presumably some of these will be for these additional routes ADE 40421, 423, 424, 428, 431, 433, 439-433 ADH 45005, 011, 040, 042, 045-047 SP 40009, 040, 063, 071, 076, 104, 112-114, 117, 200 VH 45105, 127, 140, 162, 163, 186, 227, 237, 239 no obvious batches, so have to see what gets used in the end, and some of these may be out for other reasons (upgrades, repair etc) ADE 40422/37/38/44 should transfer over in addition. Rumours that ADH 45021 has been repaired following fire damage and wil likewise reappear. That would probably allow some in the ADH 45439-48 to make the move also as mentioned. Effectively the E3 will probably become virtually all 60 reg ADH. Of course if they are still short then TFL will just cut a PVR somewhere.
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Post by Volvo on Nov 21, 2019 17:20:51 GMT
I know I said previously I woul rather have a SP than the 13reg VHs. I hold my hands and feet up, I was very wrong. I hadn't drive a SP since the middle of August so I forgot how bar they are. After today on the 79 where I couldn't keep up with my leader with VH101 (which is a terrible machine)with SP198 coniserign I was 6 late and he was running with me. I'm not about this SP aka Snails Pace life. Give me the VH
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Post by rif153 on Nov 21, 2019 17:21:05 GMT
With the 266 (gained) and 306 (new, split of 391) in just over 2 weeks, time for a summary of the double decks which are not currently in use. Presumably some of these will be for these additional routes ADE 40421, 423, 424, 428, 431, 433, 439-433 ADH 45005, 011, 040, 042, 045-047 SP 40009, 040, 063, 071, 076, 104, 112-114, 117, 200 VH 45105, 127, 140, 162, 163, 186, 227, 237, 239 no obvious batches, so have to see what gets used in the end, and some of these may be out for other reasons (upgrades, repair etc) ADE 40422/37/38/44 should transfer over in addition. Rumours that ADH 45421 has been repaired following fire damage and wil likewise reappear. That would probably allow some in the ADH 45439-48 to make the move also as mentioned. Effectively the E3 will probably become virtually all 60 reg ADH. Of course if they are still short then TFL will just cut a PVR somewhere. Interesting to hear that ADH45021 may have been repaired, that will help matters and should allow all the 62-reg examples at V to leave for the 266. The E3 will be very boring with an allocation of 60-reg ADHs crawling around, they're great buses but they feel so lethargic and gutless on the E3.
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Post by Frenzie on Nov 21, 2019 18:38:45 GMT
I know I said previously I woul rather have a SP than the 13reg VHs. I hold my hands and feet up, I was very wrong. I hadn't drive a SP since the middle of August so I forgot how bar they are. After today on the 79 where I couldn't keep up with my leader with VH101 (which is a terrible machine)with SP198 coniserign I was 6 late and he was running with me. I'm not about this SP aka Snails Pace life. Give me the VH I don’t get what’s happened to them since they’ve gone to BT. Most of the SPs we have in south west London aren’t too bad, some actually really fast. Much better than an Enviro 400 or Gemini 2 imo. Maybe they were just the worst batch.
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Post by rif153 on Nov 21, 2019 18:45:44 GMT
Looks like the tracking issues have hit, LVF showing just one bus on the 148
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Post by VWH1414 on Nov 21, 2019 19:03:20 GMT
I know I said previously I woul rather have a SP than the 13reg VHs. I hold my hands and feet up, I was very wrong. I hadn't drive a SP since the middle of August so I forgot how bar they are. After today on the 79 where I couldn't keep up with my leader with VH101 (which is a terrible machine)with SP198 coniserign I was 6 late and he was running with me. I'm not about this SP aka Snails Pace life. Give me the VH I don’t get what’s happened to them since they’ve gone to BT. Most of the SPs we have in south west London aren’t too bad, some actually really fast. Much better than an Enviro 400 or Gemini 2 imo. Maybe they were just the worst batch. They've been bad ever since they came to BT. Every time I've been on one (As a passenger) they are some of the most under-powered, sluggish buses I've been on. Some are average, such as SP40202, which I'd say just performed as an average bus. Tbh I would much rather get on SP40038 or one of the 59 regs on the 183. Though the SPs I got on at Southern Vectis are by far the best SPs I've ever been on and literally flew around those country lanes on route 8 between Newport and Ryde. Overall I can't wait for the eventual removal of the SPs and VHs from BT - Though that is at least a year off (In the sense of the VHs - SPs maybe even longer).
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Post by Volvo on Nov 21, 2019 19:28:40 GMT
I had to sub it, I couldn't take it anymore. I have SP205 now which is better but still sluggish.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 21, 2019 19:39:13 GMT
I don’t get what’s happened to them since they’ve gone to BT. Most of the SPs we have in south west London aren’t too bad, some actually really fast. Much better than an Enviro 400 or Gemini 2 imo. Maybe they were just the worst batch. They've been bad ever since they came to BT. Every time I've been on one (As a passenger) they are some of the most under-powered, sluggish buses I've been on. Some are average, such as SP40202, which I'd say just performed as an average bus. Tbh I would much rather get on SP40038 or one of the 59 regs on the 183. Though the SPs I got on at Southern Vectis are by far the best SPs I've ever been on and literally flew around those country lanes on route 8 between Newport and Ryde. Overall I can't wait for the eventual removal of the SPs and VHs from BT - Though that is at least a year off (In the sense of the VHs - SPs maybe even longer). The Southern Vectis examples are likely N270UD's which have a more powerful engine just the ex B&H ones now with Metrobus. Had to look back through my notes but the SP I had on the 79 was SP20197 and it performed well enough - nothing too good or bad.
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Post by VWH1414 on Nov 21, 2019 19:49:29 GMT
They've been bad ever since they came to BT. Every time I've been on one (As a passenger) they are some of the most under-powered, sluggish buses I've been on. Some are average, such as SP40202, which I'd say just performed as an average bus. Tbh I would much rather get on SP40038 or one of the 59 regs on the 183. Though the SPs I got on at Southern Vectis are by far the best SPs I've ever been on and literally flew around those country lanes on route 8 between Newport and Ryde. Overall I can't wait for the eventual removal of the SPs and VHs from BT - Though that is at least a year off (In the sense of the VHs - SPs maybe even longer). The Southern Vectis examples are likely N270UD's which have a more powerful engine just the ex B&H ones now with Metrobus. Had to look back through my notes but the SP I had on the 79 was SP20197 and it performed well enough - nothing too good or bad. From memory SP40195/40196/40198 are awful, SP40202-40204 are just bog average, and the others I don't really remember, but I think were borderline bad, but not as bad as 40195/40196/40198. The 59 reg SPs at SO are miles better for sure. Those Southern Vectis buses aren't N270UD's, buslistsontheweb has them down as N230UD's. The ones I'm talking about are 09 regs 1146-1152. They also have the preferable seating kinds, that is found on many of Metroline's buses (I have no idea the name of that type of seating), overall they were much better to ride by miles.
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Post by LT 20181 on Nov 21, 2019 19:49:38 GMT
They've been bad ever since they came to BT. Every time I've been on one (As a passenger) they are some of the most under-powered, sluggish buses I've been on. Some are average, such as SP40202, which I'd say just performed as an average bus. Tbh I would much rather get on SP40038 or one of the 59 regs on the 183. Though the SPs I got on at Southern Vectis are by far the best SPs I've ever been on and literally flew around those country lanes on route 8 between Newport and Ryde. Overall I can't wait for the eventual removal of the SPs and VHs from BT - Though that is at least a year off (In the sense of the VHs - SPs maybe even longer). The Southern Vectis examples are likely N270UD's which have a more powerful engine just the ex B&H ones now with Metrobus. Had to look back through my notes but the SP I had on the 79 was SP20197 and it performed well enough - nothing too good or bad. 40197*
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Post by 725DYE on Nov 21, 2019 21:07:21 GMT
They've been bad ever since they came to BT. Every time I've been on one (As a passenger) they are some of the most under-powered, sluggish buses I've been on. Some are average, such as SP40202, which I'd say just performed as an average bus. Tbh I would much rather get on SP40038 or one of the 59 regs on the 183. Though the SPs I got on at Southern Vectis are by far the best SPs I've ever been on and literally flew around those country lanes on route 8 between Newport and Ryde. Overall I can't wait for the eventual removal of the SPs and VHs from BT - Though that is at least a year off (In the sense of the VHs - SPs maybe even longer). The Southern Vectis examples are likely N270UD's which have a more powerful engine just the ex B&H ones now with Metrobus. Had to look back through my notes but the SP I had on the 79 was SP20197 and it performed well enough - nothing too good or bad. Metrobus' examples are some of the best Scanias around. I'd strongly recommend a trip on the 420 or 460 where their capability is fully unleashed down the A217
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Post by vjaska on Nov 21, 2019 22:30:52 GMT
The Southern Vectis examples are likely N270UD's which have a more powerful engine just the ex B&H ones now with Metrobus. Had to look back through my notes but the SP I had on the 79 was SP20197 and it performed well enough - nothing too good or bad. From memory SP40195/40196/40198 are awful, SP40202-40204 are just bog average, and the others I don't really remember, but I think were borderline bad, but not as bad as 40195/40196/40198. The 59 reg SPs at SO are miles better for sure. Those Southern Vectis buses aren't N270UD's, buslistsontheweb has them down as N230UD's. The ones I'm talking about are 09 regs 1146-1152. They also have the preferable seating kinds, that is found on many of Metroline's buses (I have no idea the name of that type of seating), overall they were much better to ride by miles. Those seats are called Esteban seats and yes they're pretty decent for a modern seat, prefer the old padded bench seats myself. Quite surprised they're not N270's, Go-Ahead must of looked after them
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Post by vjaska on Nov 21, 2019 22:32:12 GMT
The Southern Vectis examples are likely N270UD's which have a more powerful engine just the ex B&H ones now with Metrobus. Had to look back through my notes but the SP I had on the 79 was SP20197 and it performed well enough - nothing too good or bad. Metrobus' examples are some of the best Scanias around. I'd strongly recommend a trip on the 420 or 460 where their capability is fully unleashed down the A217 I can do one better - the 291 gives you speed plus lovely scenery between East Grinstead & Tunbridge Wells I had a fast ride on a Omnitown on the 460 whilst enjoyed a few Volvo Olympians on the 420
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