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Post by snowman on Dec 7, 2019 14:12:52 GMT
VH45314 and VH45315 are on the 18! I was confused when I saw these on LVF on the N266 last night as I thought these were at V but obviously I didn't check the fleet codes! Looks like the 65 is getting rid of most of its 19 reg VHs in favour of older SPs. You Would expect the 65 will receive the VHs from the 94 once the electrics arrive or at the very least allow those that have left to return with a further top up. The 65 contract was issued for diesel (not hybrid) buses. The 19reg VHs strictly belong to 406 The 406 contract which started 5-6 months ago continues to use 2007 euroIV ADEs. My understanding is that this is temporary until electrics enter service on 94 and cascade takes place. I'm not sure if a cascade plan is publically available, but there is some logic in moving the spare VHs to a route out to tender (makes it harder to compete, as another Operators costings need to be attractive vs retained buses oprion)
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Post by snowman on Dec 7, 2019 14:15:30 GMT
Just seen DME30378 heading over a Chiswick Bridge in direction of Richmond (and Fulwell) Are the DMEs moving now that 319 is rationalised (they were on 272 and 440 ?) EDIT : just been on LVF and realised that none of the 272 batch of DMEs are in service The 272 seems to be being operated by DLEs spare from 391 cut ✅ So now obvious the 272s DMEs are moving, but which route will be getting them, anyone know?
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Post by southlondonbus on Dec 7, 2019 14:23:00 GMT
Also if the SPs on the 65 are getting upgraded, it would probably make sense to keep them till the contact end in potentially 2023. The 406 contrcatlly should have newer buses now.
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Post by Frenzie on Dec 7, 2019 14:26:20 GMT
Also if the SPs on the 65 are getting upgraded, it would probably make sense to keep them till the contact end in potentially 2023. The 406 contrcatlly should have newer buses now. They need to be upgraded already because of the Uxbridge Road LEBZ though right.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 7, 2019 17:13:18 GMT
Also if the SPs on the 65 are getting upgraded, it would probably make sense to keep them till the contact end in potentially 2023. The 406 contrcatlly should have newer buses now. They need to be upgraded already because of the Uxbridge Road LEBZ though right. They are currently undergoing upgrades, the arrival of VH45310-17 allowed SPs to go off for EuVI upgrades
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Post by rif153 on Dec 7, 2019 17:14:21 GMT
You Would expect the 65 will receive the VHs from the 94 once the electrics arrive or at the very least allow those that have left to return with a further top up. The 65 contract was issued for diesel (not hybrid) buses. The 19reg VHs strictly belong to 406 The 406 contract which started 5-6 months ago continues to use 2007 euroIV ADEs. My understanding is that this is temporary until electrics enter service on 94 and cascade takes place. I'm not sure if a cascade plan is publically available, but there is some logic in moving the spare VHs to a route out to tender (makes it harder to compete, as another Operators costings need to be attractive vs retained buses oprion) Some murmurings suggest that the ADHs from the 94 will go to the 266 to give it a fully ADH allocation with the surplus ADEs moving to EB for the 406. I don't think this has acutally been confirmed, but it seems a sensible plan to me.
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Post by VWH1414 on Dec 7, 2019 17:22:31 GMT
The 65 contract was issued for diesel (not hybrid) buses. The 19reg VHs strictly belong to 406 The 406 contract which started 5-6 months ago continues to use 2007 euroIV ADEs. My understanding is that this is temporary until electrics enter service on 94 and cascade takes place. I'm not sure if a cascade plan is publically available, but there is some logic in moving the spare VHs to a route out to tender (makes it harder to compete, as another Operators costings need to be attractive vs retained buses oprion) Some murmurings suggest that the ADHs from the 94 will go to the 266 to give it a fully ADH allocation with the surplus ADEs moving to EB for the 406. I don't think this has acutally been confirmed, but it seems a sensible plan to me. I'm pretty sure busdryver has said this is not the plan many times. More something that was cooked up on here. He said the ADE/ADH allocation currently on the 266 is remaining as it is.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 7, 2019 17:26:35 GMT
Some murmurings suggest that the ADHs from the 94 will go to the 266 to give it a fully ADH allocation with the surplus ADEs moving to EB for the 406. I don't think this has acutally been confirmed, but it seems a sensible plan to me. I'm pretty sure busdryver has said this is not the plan many times. More something that was cooked up on here. He said the ADE/ADH allocation currently on the 266 is remaining as it is. I was scepitcal it was true but the memory was residual so I wasn't sure. Apologies for spreading incorrect information.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 7, 2019 17:28:16 GMT
They were being used on the E3 in preparation for the 306 which starts today which will be allocated ex 18 & 65 VH's. I thought it would have made sense to use the 2 new VH’s due for the school routes on 306 and send some VH’s back to the 65. Or the opposite way round as I’m pretty sure those new VHs for the school route won’t end up going on them There hasn’t been any confirmation as to whether those two VH’s are still on order.
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Post by ADH45258 on Dec 7, 2019 17:29:42 GMT
The 65 contract was issued for diesel (not hybrid) buses. The 19reg VHs strictly belong to 406 The 406 contract which started 5-6 months ago continues to use 2007 euroIV ADEs. My understanding is that this is temporary until electrics enter service on 94 and cascade takes place. I'm not sure if a cascade plan is publically available, but there is some logic in moving the spare VHs to a route out to tender (makes it harder to compete, as another Operators costings need to be attractive vs retained buses oprion) Some murmurings suggest that the ADHs from the 94 will go to the 266 to give it a fully ADH allocation with the surplus ADEs moving to EB for the 406. I don't think this has acutally been confirmed, but it seems a sensible plan to me. Sounds sensible but there aren't enough ADHs to cover both the 266 and E3 entirely. These have a combined TVR of 48. There's 49 60/62reg ADHs, however 1 62reg was withdrawn, 3x 62reg are at BT/CP for the H12, and 1 60reg is at EB for the 293. The only way this could work is if the ADEs currently at RP replace the ADHs on the 293 and H12. I think the 266 will keep its mixed allocation. Regarding EB, I RATP could perhaps simply allocate the 07reg ADEs to routes 418/467/633, as this older batch will be compliant for these contracts. The 07reg ADEs might be cheaper to convert to euro6 than further SPs. The newer 11/61/12/14reg ADEs at EB could then form the 406's new allocation. I would then suggest to send the 94's remaining ADHs to BT for route 79.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 7, 2019 17:40:12 GMT
Some murmurings suggest that the ADHs from the 94 will go to the 266 to give it a fully ADH allocation with the surplus ADEs moving to EB for the 406. I don't think this has acutally been confirmed, but it seems a sensible plan to me. Sounds sensible but there aren't enough ADHs to cover both the 266 and E3 entirely. These have a combined TVR of 48. There's 49 60/62reg ADHs, however 1 62reg was withdrawn, 3x 62reg are at BT/CP for the H12, and 1 60reg is at EB for the 293. The only way this could work is if the ADEs currently at RP replace the ADHs on the 293 and H12. I think the 266 will keep its mixed allocation. Regarding EB, I RATP could perhaps simply allocate the 07reg ADEs to routes 418/467/633, as this older batch will be compliant for these contracts. The 07reg ADEs might be cheaper to convert to euro6 than further SPs. The newer 11/61/12/14reg ADEs at EB could then form the 406's new allocation. I would then suggest to send the 94's remaining ADHs to BT for route 79. I coud see the 79 recieving newer vehicles. I like your ideas of ADEs or ADHs for the route, or another option could be keeping the 13-reg VHs at BT, Gemini 3 VHs could even be sent to BT but that seems unlikely as BT only have a few of these, and I can't see VH45153-55 staying beyond the loss of the 139
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Post by paulo on Dec 7, 2019 17:54:50 GMT
With the 266 (gained) and 306 (new, split of 391) in just over 2 weeks, time for a summary of the double decks which are not currently in use. Presumably some of these will be for these additional routes ADE 40421, 423, 424, 428, 431, 433, 439-433 ADH 45005, 011, 040, 042, 045-047 SP 40009, 040, 063, 071, 076, 104, 112-114, 117, 200 VH 45105, 127, 140, 162, 163, 186, 227, 237, 239 no obvious batches, so have to see what gets used in the end, and some of these may be out for other reasons (upgrades, repair etc) ADE 40422/37/38/44 should transfer over in addition. Rumours that ADH 45021 has been repaired following fire damage and wil likewise reappear. That would probably allow some in the ADH 45439-48 to make the move also as mentioned. Effectively the E3 will probably become virtually all 60 reg ADH. Of course if they are still short then TFL will just cut a PVR somewhere. So for once the rumour was right. ADH45021 back on the road after 16 months. It will be interesting to see if ADE40437 remains at EB although it’s not been in use since yesterday morning suggesting it probably has for the 266.
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Post by E279 on Dec 7, 2019 19:13:39 GMT
All the 19 reg must be temp. VH45156-63 & VH45184-6 meet the PVR of the 306. My thoughts would be they are covering 1 VH from the 18 that hasn’t entered service and potentially ADH upgrades and 1 ADH that is off road.
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Post by busdryver on Dec 7, 2019 19:25:59 GMT
All the 19 reg must be temp. VH45156-63 & VH45184-6 meet the PVR of the 306. My thoughts would be they are covering 1 VH from the 18 that hasn’t entered service and potentially ADH upgrades and 1 ADH that is off road. PVR of the 306 is 11, plus 1 spare Two 2019 VHs are covering until the two nomadic ones return from S, 45124/5. The other buses are covering early ADH issues.
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Post by E279 on Dec 7, 2019 19:27:24 GMT
All the 19 reg must be temp. VH45156-63 & VH45184-6 meet the PVR of the 306. My thoughts would be they are covering 1 VH from the 18 that hasn’t entered service and potentially ADH upgrades and 1 ADH that is off road. PVR of the 306 is 11, plus 1 spare Two 2019 VHs are covering until the two nomadic ones return from S, 45124/5. The other buses are covering early ADH issues. So all but 1 19 reg are covering currently.
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