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Post by BusesInLondon on Jan 24, 2018 16:12:11 GMT
Ok, some updates from ADL, the ADHs will be delivered next week, but they can't disclose the delivery location. I don't know where they will end up, but hopefully they will come to BT to be used as refurb floats for 258's ADE's. That's only a guess though!
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 24, 2018 16:36:45 GMT
Ok, some updates from ADL, the ADHs will be delivered next week, but they can't disclose the delivery location. I don't know where they will end up, but hopefully they will come to BT to be used as refurb floats for 258's ADE's. That's only a guess though! If the ADHs do end up at BT for the 258, they will release 4 ADEs (rather than being used for refurb cover) to return to AV to complete the 81's allocation. There are only 13 ADEs at AV at the moment, while the 81 has a PVR of 16. The 81 is currently using a part allocation of SPs from the H32 to cover, requiring the H32 to use the TAs instead. A lot of the ADEs at BT do have sovereign logos now, but some of these may be temporary. Most BT ADEs with fleetcodes numerically close to the AV batch are unrefurbished, these being the most likely to move.
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Post by paulo on Jan 25, 2018 15:12:18 GMT
Quick trip to NC Twickenham today.
Seemingly withdrawn but still blinded are: TLA 3/4/5 & TA 250
Deblinded: DPS 648/651/652 & VA46
The workshop is now seemingly empty, ramps appear to have gone.
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Post by m1069 on Jan 25, 2018 18:50:18 GMT
Quick trip to NC Twickenham today. Seemingly withdrawn but still blinded are: TLA 3/4/5 & TA 250 Deblinded: DPS 648/651/652 & VA46 The workshop is now seemingly empty, ramps appear to have gone. Sign on door saying that it is being refurbished. Attachment Deleted
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Post by LT 20181 on Jan 25, 2018 19:14:39 GMT
Quick trip to NC Twickenham today. Seemingly withdrawn but still blinded are: TLA 3/4/5 & TA 250 Deblinded: DPS 648/651/652 & VA46 The workshop is now seemingly empty, ramps appear to have gone. Sign on door saying that it is being refurbished. Well, that's something to look forward to
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 6:46:59 GMT
I fear for the future of the OT’s at AV. Not featured in the 293 bid. Unless the H37 doesn’t get the new buses expected, I think they will depart. More evidence is the MCL refurbishment , as it was possible they could have shunted onto the 203.
I think RATP will now order a bulk block of 12m buses for the 293 & H37
It will also be interesting to see if EB retain the S1 , what buses will be used. It seems Optare buses are falling out of favour slightly with this firm since the change in management.
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Post by sid on Jan 26, 2018 6:57:35 GMT
I fear for the future of the OT’s at AV. Not featured in the 293 bid. Unless the H37 doesn’t get the new buses expected, I think they will depart. More evidence is the MCL refurbishment , as it was possible they could have shunted onto the 203. I think RATP will now order a bulk block of 12m buses for the 293 & H37 It will also be interesting to see if EB retain the S1 , what buses will be used. It seems Optare buses are falling out of favour slightly with this firm since the change in management. The OT's don't seem to be very popular with drivers, heavy steering apparently.
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Post by snowman on Jan 26, 2018 7:23:21 GMT
I fear for the future of the OT’s at AV. Not featured in the 293 bid. Unless the H37 doesn’t get the new buses expected, I think they will depart. More evidence is the MCL refurbishment , as it was possible they could have shunted onto the 203. I think RATP will now order a bulk block of 12m buses for the 293 & H37 It will also be interesting to see if EB retain the S1 , what buses will be used. It seems Optare buses are falling out of favour slightly with this firm since the change in management. Possibly already had new buses on order for H37, sensible thing to do would be to have options to extend the order. A lot will depend on ownership status, are they leased or owned, if leased when are break points and how much per month. There is clearly move away from solos, but the older Optare buses (the 2008-9 versa and 2009-11 Solo) seem to be remaining for now (possibly cheaper to keep them)
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Post by vjaska on Jan 26, 2018 7:25:14 GMT
I fear for the future of the OT’s at AV. Not featured in the 293 bid. Unless the H37 doesn’t get the new buses expected, I think they will depart. More evidence is the MCL refurbishment , as it was possible they could have shunted onto the 203. I think RATP will now order a bulk block of 12m buses for the 293 & H37 It will also be interesting to see if EB retain the S1 , what buses will be used. It seems Optare buses are falling out of favour slightly with this firm since the change in management. The 203 already has compliant MCL's for it's contract so it wouldn't be able to take any OT's bar 1 maybe as I still don't know what is the extra bus on the 203?
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Post by paulo on Jan 26, 2018 8:21:21 GMT
I fear for the future of the OT’s at AV. Not featured in the 293 bid. Unless the H37 doesn’t get the new buses expected, I think they will depart. More evidence is the MCL refurbishment , as it was possible they could have shunted onto the 203. I think RATP will now order a bulk block of 12m buses for the 293 & H37 It will also be interesting to see if EB retain the S1 , what buses will be used. It seems Optare buses are falling out of favour slightly with this firm since the change in management. Possibly already had new buses on order for H37, sensible thing to do would be to have options to extend the order. A lot will depend on ownership status, are they leased or owned, if leased when are break points and how much per month. There is clearly move away from solos, but the older Optare buses (the 2008-9 versa and 2009-11 Solo) seem to be remaining for now (possibly cheaper to keep them) I quite like the OVs at Fulwell. A better ride than the E200s but it’s noticeable that they can be off the road for a while. In fact OV 10 was out for 4 months or so until earlier this month and that has not been uncommon. Reliability seems to be questionable.
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Post by planesandtrains on Jan 26, 2018 9:08:32 GMT
I fear for the future of the OT’s at AV. Not featured in the 293 bid. Unless the H37 doesn’t get the new buses expected, I think they will depart. More evidence is the MCL refurbishment , as it was possible they could have shunted onto the 203. I think RATP will now order a bulk block of 12m buses for the 293 & H37 It will also be interesting to see if EB retain the S1 , what buses will be used. It seems Optare buses are falling out of favour slightly with this firm since the change in management. The OT's don't seem to be very popular with drivers, heavy steering apparently. They might have heavy steering, but sound really interesting. I mean an OM906 engine coupled to an Allison World gearbox, where else in London do you get that. I don't think Citaros are out of the question at all now as AV will be able to have a standard 12m fleet and Epsom has already seen various models as well. Add Citaro K's to that order + experience of operating them in Paris could mean RATP could get a good price.
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Post by ADH45258 on Jan 27, 2018 11:09:11 GMT
RATP may not need to order so many new single decks for new contracts, with a lot of compliant existing vehicles available.
- 8x 10-reg DEs from route C1 (only 7 out of 15 needed for route 419)
- 11-reg DEs released from route H14 converting to DD
- 17-reg DLE from route 70 (about 15 out of 21 needed for the 411 & H22)
Quite a few of the routes recently won or retained by RATP have PVRs of around 6-7.
Also, while SD appearances are now ruled out on the 142/258 since transfer to RATP, could DD workings continue on routes 288/303/H18/H19?
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Post by planesandtrains on Jan 27, 2018 11:16:44 GMT
RATP may not need to order so many new single decks for new contracts, with a lot of compliant existing vehicles available. - 8x 10-reg DEs from route C1 (only 7 out of 15 needed for route 419) - 11-reg DEs released from route H14 converting to DD - 17-reg DLE from route 70 (about 15 out of 21 needed for the 411 & H22) Quite a few of the routes recently won or retained by RATP have PVRs of around 6-7. Also, while SD appearances are now ruled out on the 142/258 since transfer to RATP, could DD workings continue on routes 288/303/H18/H19? The 11 reg DE's on route H14 are leased, whether it would be extended or not is the question. Plus many of the routes were specified with a capacity of 60 rather than 55.
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Post by paulo on Jan 27, 2018 11:26:30 GMT
RATP may not need to order so many new single decks for new contracts, with a lot of compliant existing vehicles available. - 8x 10-reg DEs from route C1 (only 7 out of 15 needed for route 419) - 11-reg DEs released from route H14 converting to DD - 17-reg DLE from route 70 (about 15 out of 21 neededi for the 411 & H22) Quite a few of the routes recently won or retained by RATP have PVRs of around 6-7. Also, while SD appearances are now ruled out on the 142/258 since transfer to RATP, could DD workings continue on routes 288/303/H18/H19? The 11 reg DE's on route H14 are leased, whether it would be extended or not is the question. Plus many of the routes were specified with a capacity of 60 rather than 55. The DEs will be cascaded to replace the DPSs on the 72.
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Post by snowman on Jan 27, 2018 11:39:45 GMT
RATP may not need to order so many new single decks for new contracts, with a lot of compliant existing vehicles available. - 8x 10-reg DEs from route C1 (only 7 out of 15 needed for route 419) - 11-reg DEs released from route H14 converting to DD - 17-reg DLE from route 70 (about 15 out of 21 needed for the 411 & H22) Quite a few of the routes recently won or retained by RATP have PVRs of around 6-7. Also, while SD appearances are now ruled out on the 142/258 since transfer to RATP, could DD workings continue on routes 288/303/H18/H19? The 11 reg DE's on route H14 are leased, whether it would be extended or not is the question. Plus many of the routes were specified with a capacity of 60 rather than 55. ADL specifically invented a 10.5m version (squashed seat pitch) due to TfL specs. It might get round a corner that a 10.9m version can't but has no other advantages. RATP needs to look at the whole fleet (including Epsom) when deciding. There is no point in having too many types at any one garage. It may even be sensible to replace extra buses (if it gets out of expensive leases) providing you have alternative routes in few years time. There are also other changes, e.g. proposed splitting of 391 which may affect the final plan. Especially if Hammersmith bridge is sorted in years time and new double decks replace loads of single decks.
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