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Post by YY13VKP on Jan 22, 2019 12:11:13 GMT
That isn’t necessarily a condition for a vehicle to be scrapped. All of that can be fixed pretty easily if Epsom wanted to. They’ll probably be sold on or converted to trainers They can't be converted to trainers as their length doesn't comply with training regulations - single decker trainer buses must be over 10m. Arriva have a few 8.9m Darts which are trainers.
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Post by snowman on Jan 22, 2019 12:42:37 GMT
They can't be converted to trainers as their length doesn't comply with training regulations - single decker trainer buses must be over 10m. Arriva have a few 8.9m Darts which are trainers. The short buses can be used for basic training, but there is a minimum length for assessments and testing
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Post by snowman on Jan 22, 2019 12:45:23 GMT
Interesting. I wonder what will happen to the 10 buses released from the 65? If not withdrawn odd that a full new bus allocation. Currently there are 3 VHs allocated to 65 (was 7, but 3 went to 18 and 1 to 85) There are 14 VHs currently allocated to 94 Another 10 potentially makes 27 (which is same as PVR), might just be a coincidence
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 22, 2019 12:50:13 GMT
According to a post I’ve seen on Facebook from an official garage notice at FW, RATP have ordered 10 additional VH’s, which are due for route 65. They will be delivered next month and in addition to this all 281 drivers will need to be type trained on the VH’s. Also worth mentioning that they'll be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance. This will limit to the bus of the speed limit of the roads while on the route of the 65, as well as on dead runs to Fulwell garage. I think this is the same technology fitted to the VWHs at UE for the 222.
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Post by portman227 on Jan 22, 2019 12:53:12 GMT
According to a post I’ve seen on Facebook from an official garage notice at FW, RATP have ordered 10 additional VH’s, which are due for route 65. They will be delivered next month and in addition to this all 281 drivers will need to be type trained on the VH’s. Also worth mentioning that they'll be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance. This will limit to the bus of the speed limit of the roads while on the route of the 65, as well as on dead runs to Fulwell garage. I think this is the same technology fitted to the VWHs at UE for the 222. So the buses pretty much won't be able to go past 30? I only see this suitable for inner central london routes but at the same time i doubt there are 40mph speed limits on the 65
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2019 13:20:51 GMT
Also worth mentioning that they'll be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance. This will limit to the bus of the speed limit of the roads while on the route of the 65, as well as on dead runs to Fulwell garage. I think this is the same technology fitted to the VWHs at UE for the 222. So the buses pretty much won't be able to go past 30? I only see this suitable for inner central london routes but at the same time i doubt there are 40mph speed limits on the 65 Most London buses get limited to 39mph anyway, which on certain routes that use roads [dead or in service] at 50mph or upwards is dangerous.
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Post by snowman on Jan 22, 2019 13:53:29 GMT
Also worth mentioning that they'll be fitted with Intelligent Speed Assistance. This will limit to the bus of the speed limit of the roads while on the route of the 65, as well as on dead runs to Fulwell garage. I think this is the same technology fitted to the VWHs at UE for the 222. So the buses pretty much won't be able to go past 30? I only see this suitable for inner central london routes but at the same time i doubt there are 40mph speed limits on the 65 Highest on 65 is now 30mph (there are 20mph sections on Ealing Road in Brentford and in Petersham and Eden Street area in Kingston). A few years ago the roundabouts across A316 and A4 were 40mph (not that crossing these was suitable for 40mph)
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Post by portman227 on Jan 22, 2019 18:22:39 GMT
So the buses pretty much won't be able to go past 30? I only see this suitable for inner central london routes but at the same time i doubt there are 40mph speed limits on the 65 Most London buses get limited to 39mph anyway, which on certain routes that use roads [dead or in service] at 50mph or upwards is dangerous. Only vehicles limited to 39mph i know of are metroline VWH's and some TEHs. It depends on the garage tbh, and the need to set limiters. some routes that use dual carriageways really should have a higher speed limiter. If the signs dictate 50, no point in having buses barely getting past 30
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Post by portman227 on Jan 22, 2019 18:24:28 GMT
So the buses pretty much won't be able to go past 30? I only see this suitable for inner central london routes but at the same time i doubt there are 40mph speed limits on the 65 Highest on 65 is now 30mph (there are 20mph sections on Ealing Road in Brentford and in Petersham and Eden Street area in Kingston). A few years ago the roundabouts across A316 and A4 were 40mph (not that crossing these was suitable for 40mph) I thought the 65 was a fast route, the SP's get upto good speed between Kingston and Richmond, i think this is a selective trial to certain routes. Routes like H91 would be deemed impractical
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Post by snowman on Jan 22, 2019 18:59:30 GMT
Highest on 65 is now 30mph (there are 20mph sections on Ealing Road in Brentford and in Petersham and Eden Street area in Kingston). A few years ago the roundabouts across A316 and A4 were 40mph (not that crossing these was suitable for 40mph) I thought the 65 was a fast route, the SP's get upto good speed between Kingston and Richmond, i think this is a selective trial to certain routes. Routes like H91 would be deemed impractical Slight misunderstanding, the speed limiter last year was a trial. The mayor has decided (directed ?) that from sometime in 2019 all new buses in London must be fitted with it. There is no speed cap on the intelligent (that’s what they call it, not my choice of words) speed limiter, just restricts bus to the roads speed limit. If the limit is 40 then that should be what it restricts to. The manual speed limiter is set by Operators and is a restrictor programmed into the engine management system (usually in increments of 10 km/h) which leads to strange limits in mph eg 60km/h = 37.2mph. Obviously stupid if the bus is scheduled to run along 40 or 50 mph roads. Why you may ask, some think it saves fuel, but often results in not using top gear and means engine needs to be use longer as journey takes longer, so I am not convinced.
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Post by WSD3 on Jan 22, 2019 19:30:54 GMT
has SPS40019-24 been transfred to there new place where they are going to operate from yet
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Post by portman227 on Jan 22, 2019 20:01:34 GMT
I thought the 65 was a fast route, the SP's get upto good speed between Kingston and Richmond, i think this is a selective trial to certain routes. Routes like H91 would be deemed impractical Slight misunderstanding, the speed limiter last year was a trial. The mayor has decided (directed ?) that from sometime in 2019 all new buses in London must be fitted with it. There is no speed cap on the intelligent (that’s what they call it, not my choice of words) speed limiter, just restricts bus to the roads speed limit. If the limit is 40 then that should be what it restricts to. The manual speed limiter is set by Operators and is a restrictor programmed into the engine management system (usually in increments of 10 km/h) which leads to strange limits in mph eg 60km/h = 37.2mph. Obviously stupid if the bus is scheduled to run along 40 or 50 mph roads. Why you may ask, some think it saves fuel, but often results in not using top gear and means engine needs to be use longer as journey takes longer, so I am not convinced. I think with all these intelligent speed trials, it takes away the trust from the drivers, as the indirect assumption is made that they aren't to be fully trusted with vehicles that have above average acceleration. Surely there is no proof or evidence that these intelligence speed trials are a success, too many variables to consider. Drivers should be trusted to drive buses with no alterations imo
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 22, 2019 22:07:38 GMT
Perhaps the newer ADHs from the 27 will go to the 94 for its contract and the current VHs will move to the 65 aswell when the 94 gets shortend with 60reg ADHs to the E3 which is in the process of happening.
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Post by LT 20181 on Jan 22, 2019 22:17:40 GMT
Doesn't the 65 have about 5 2016 VHs allocated to it already?
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 22, 2019 22:45:02 GMT
I think it's only 3 VHs.
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