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Post by snoggle on Apr 20, 2019 11:51:37 GMT
Well surely it can't do any harm? A K5 with just Ham on the destination blind doesn't tell potential users very much, how many people at the Morden end would even know where Ham is? Just had a look at the K5 on a map. That must be one of the most complicated routes to learn in London. It's bewildering enough to ride it. Round this corner then that one then another one, over a level crossing, round a roundabout etc. It's quite clever in how it covers the areas that it does but it is odd that a key link like Morden to Kingston (both important hubs) are only directly linked by a low frequency midibus route.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 20, 2019 12:40:32 GMT
Extremely daft idea, but crazy can be clever. Route branding the K5. Sounds ridiculous, I know. But if the K5 does get the ex-Arriva E10 E200’s, they are going to have a livery that isn’t standard in Kingston or Merton (Morden doesn’t really count in my part, since the most used part of the Route is the section between Raynes Park and Ham). Therefore, you have an opportunity for Route branding, this could help the visually impaired as they could notice the flash of green and know it is a K5. K5, for those of you that don’t know this rocket ride of a route, is a Hail and Ride Route, going past Council Flats and Retirement Homes and areas that elderly people normally reside (example: the flats around Elm Road). So it would make sense that some people would need assistance identifying the bus. A bit of Route branding might help out a bit in this situation, and correct me if I am wrong, but these SDEs are a h*** of a lot more accessible than the OS. Automatic Ramps and lower kneeling. (PS. If I am wrong, someone correct it before vjaska gets to me, as I think he is fed up of correct my a** all the time) Not sure why my name has been specifically mentioned? Also confused as to how the E10's buses have a different livery when they're red like practically every other London bus. A Solo should be able to lower its ramp to at least as good a level as an Enviro 200. Whether one is better than the other I do not know but I've seen Solos lower their ramps before without issue.
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Post by thebusguy on Apr 20, 2019 12:51:47 GMT
Extremely daft idea, but crazy can be clever. Route branding the K5. Sounds ridiculous, I know. But if the K5 does get the ex-Arriva E10 E200’s, they are going to have a livery that isn’t standard in Kingston or Merton (Morden doesn’t really count in my part, since the most used part of the Route is the section between Raynes Park and Ham). Therefore, you have an opportunity for Route branding, this could help the visually impaired as they could notice the flash of green and know it is a K5. K5, for those of you that don’t know this rocket ride of a route, is a Hail and Ride Route, going past Council Flats and Retirement Homes and areas that elderly people normally reside (example: the flats around Elm Road). So it would make sense that some people would need assistance identifying the bus. A bit of Route branding might help out a bit in this situation, and correct me if I am wrong, but these SDEs are a h*** of a lot more accessible than the OS. Automatic Ramps and lower kneeling. (PS. If I am wrong, someone correct it before vjaska gets to me, as I think he is fed up of correct my a** all the time) Not sure why my name has been specifically mentioned? Also confused as to how the E10's buses have a different livery when they're red like practically every other London bus. A Solo should be able to lower its ramp to at least as good a level as an Enviro 200. Whether one is better than the other I do not know but I've seen Solos lower their ramps before without issue. These Solos have manual ramps, so it is less work for drivers. I mean the interior seating, my bad. I’m sleep deprived...
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Post by george on Apr 20, 2019 20:42:48 GMT
No OTs on the H37 their time is over.
Edit. on H37 I should say still being used on the 203.
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Post by snowman on Apr 21, 2019 5:59:17 GMT
Nine E20Ds at 10.5m are on order for route 272, adding to the twelve already on order for the 440 LOTS (April edition) Will there be some garage transfers or swaps with some DLEs, seems daft splitting the DMEs between 2 garages Currently 440 is operated out of RP, which uses the longer DLEs on, 223, 224, 283, H17 (although was talk of 10.5m for 283) Currently 272 is operated from V, which uses the longer DLEs on 391 I do wonder if the DMEs (10.5m) will go to RP for part of 283 and similar number of DLEs (10.9m) will swap to V for 272 RP often puts the DLEs on 440 currently so clearly they fit. Presumably 30049 will move to Epsom for 465 when these arrive
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Post by rif153 on Apr 21, 2019 10:47:43 GMT
Nine E20Ds at 10.5m are on order for route 272, adding to the twelve already on order for the 440 LOTS (April edition) Will there be some garage transfers or swaps with some DLEs, seems daft splitting the DMEs between 2 garages Currently 440 is operated out of RP, which uses the longer DLEs on, 223, 224, 283, H17 (although was talk of 10.5m for 283) Currently 272 is operated from V, which uses the longer DLEs on 391 I do wonder if the DMEs (10.5m) will go to RP for part of 283 and similar number of DLEs (10.9m) will swap to V for 272 RP often puts the DLEs on 440 currently so clearly they fit. Presumably 30049 will move to Epsom for 465 when these arrive The 440 is supposed to be allocated with DLEs which were bought for the 224 but in reality the SD fleet at RP is flexible
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Post by LT 20181 on Apr 21, 2019 11:06:29 GMT
Will there be some garage transfers or swaps with some DLEs, seems daft splitting the DMEs between 2 garages Currently 440 is operated out of RP, which uses the longer DLEs on, 223, 224, 283, H17 (although was talk of 10.5m for 283) Currently 272 is operated from V, which uses the longer DLEs on 391 I do wonder if the DMEs (10.5m) will go to RP for part of 283 and similar number of DLEs (10.9m) will swap to V for 272 RP often puts the DLEs on 440 currently so clearly they fit. Presumably 30049 will move to Epsom for 465 when these arrive The 440 is supposed to be allocated with DLEs which were bought for the 224 but in reality the SD fleet at RP is flexible That was the initially plan as there was a section on the 224 that was unable to accommodate the length of the 10.9m MMC - the loop at Iveagh Avenue. This problem has now been solved and now the 224 can take the longer DLEs.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 21, 2019 11:22:55 GMT
Nine E20Ds at 10.5m are on order for route 272, adding to the twelve already on order for the 440 LOTS (April edition) Will there be some garage transfers or swaps with some DLEs, seems daft splitting the DMEs between 2 garages Currently 440 is operated out of RP, which uses the longer DLEs on, 223, 224, 283, H17 (although was talk of 10.5m for 283) Currently 272 is operated from V, which uses the longer DLEs on 391 I do wonder if the DMEs (10.5m) will go to RP for part of 283 and similar number of DLEs (10.9m) will swap to V for 272 RP often puts the DLEs on 440 currently so clearly they fit. Presumably 30049 will move to Epsom for 465 when these arrive AFAIK, DLE30049 is the spare for the 224 until it's cut back occurs as 8 buses were ordered rather than the 9 buses it requires.
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Post by ak121 on Apr 21, 2019 13:39:00 GMT
Nine E20Ds at 10.5m are on order for route 272, adding to the twelve already on order for the 440 LOTS (April edition) Will there be some garage transfers or swaps with some DLEs, seems daft splitting the DMEs between 2 garages Currently 440 is operated out of RP, which uses the longer DLEs on, 223, 224, 283, H17 (although was talk of 10.5m for 283) Currently 272 is operated from V, which uses the longer DLEs on 391 I do wonder if the DMEs (10.5m) will go to RP for part of 283 and similar number of DLEs (10.9m) will swap to V for 272 RP often puts the DLEs on 440 currently so clearly they fit. Presumably 30049 will move to Epsom for 465 when these arrive Has it been confirmed that the 10.5 metre Alexander Dennis Enviro 200 MMCs are being called DMEs? I'd have thought they'd be coded DE because the 10.5 metre length is the direct replacement for the 10.2 classic model, which RATP has many of. The H98's classic 10.8 metre E200s and all new 10.9 metre MMCs have shared the code DLE? If RATP ever need to order 9.7 metre models, I think DME would be better suited to these buses, a bit like Metroline's fleet coding system.
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Post by snowman on Apr 21, 2019 13:56:35 GMT
Will there be some garage transfers or swaps with some DLEs, seems daft splitting the DMEs between 2 garages Currently 440 is operated out of RP, which uses the longer DLEs on, 223, 224, 283, H17 (although was talk of 10.5m for 283) Currently 272 is operated from V, which uses the longer DLEs on 391 I do wonder if the DMEs (10.5m) will go to RP for part of 283 and similar number of DLEs (10.9m) will swap to V for 272 RP often puts the DLEs on 440 currently so clearly they fit. Presumably 30049 will move to Epsom for 465 when these arrive Has it been confirmed that the 10.5 metre Alexander Dennis Enviro 200 MMCs are being called DMEs? I'd have thought they'd be coded DE because the 10.5 metre length is the direct replacement for the 10.2 classic model, which RATP has many of. The H98's classic 10.8 metre E200s and all new 10.9 metre MMCs have shared the code DLE? If RATP ever need to order 9.7 metre models, I think DME would be better suited to these buses, a bit like Metroline's fleet coding system. Strictly the DEs are 55 capacity buses, but the DLEs 60 capacity in TfLs eyes I think there are already some 9.75m versions at Epsom, coded SDE, same code as the 8.99m versions
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Post by vjaska on Apr 21, 2019 15:57:41 GMT
Will there be some garage transfers or swaps with some DLEs, seems daft splitting the DMEs between 2 garages Currently 440 is operated out of RP, which uses the longer DLEs on, 223, 224, 283, H17 (although was talk of 10.5m for 283) Currently 272 is operated from V, which uses the longer DLEs on 391 I do wonder if the DMEs (10.5m) will go to RP for part of 283 and similar number of DLEs (10.9m) will swap to V for 272 RP often puts the DLEs on 440 currently so clearly they fit. Presumably 30049 will move to Epsom for 465 when these arrive Has it been confirmed that the 10.5 metre Alexander Dennis Enviro 200 MMCs are being called DMEs? I'd have thought they'd be coded DE because the 10.5 metre length is the direct replacement for the 10.2 classic model, which RATP has many of. The H98's classic 10.8 metre E200s and all new 10.9 metre MMCs have shared the code DLE? If RATP ever need to order 9.7 metre models, I think DME would be better suited to these buses, a bit like Metroline's fleet coding system. Whilst I agree with you in terms of that they should be called DE IMO, it’s already been confirmed by two different sources that they are DME’s - one source on here & then LOTS also confirmed it as well. RATP have already ordered 9.7m buses for the 470 and these are coded SDE but again, IMO, I agree that they should have a different code instead of SDE.
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Post by george on Apr 21, 2019 18:02:04 GMT
As weird as this may sound does anyone else think the reason why DXE have started so quickly is so that AV can prove to TfL that they are able to run their services well after losing so much work or just me 😂
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Post by rj131 on Apr 21, 2019 19:44:13 GMT
Has it been confirmed that the 10.5 metre Alexander Dennis Enviro 200 MMCs are being called DMEs? I'd have thought they'd be coded DE because the 10.5 metre length is the direct replacement for the 10.2 classic model, which RATP has many of. The H98's classic 10.8 metre E200s and all new 10.9 metre MMCs have shared the code DLE? If RATP ever need to order 9.7 metre models, I think DME would be better suited to these buses, a bit like Metroline's fleet coding system. Whilst I agree with you in terms of that they should be called DE IMO, it’s already been confirmed by two different sources that they are DME’s - one source on here & then LOTS also confirmed it as well. RATP have already ordered 9.7m buses for the 470 and these are coded SDE but again, IMO, I agree that they should have a different code instead of SDE. Makes it more of a mockery that the 265’s 10.9 buses have been labelled ‘DEs’, someone clearly fudged up there lol
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2019 22:52:54 GMT
As weird as this may sound does anyone else think the reason why DXE have started so quickly is so that AV can prove to TfL that they are able to run their services well after losing so much work or just me 😂 I hope AV bounces back as it has done in the past. It took a few years for them to recover the losses of the 235 and 237. More of a level playing field when the 237,E8 come back around as they.l need new buses. Also, I wouldn’t put it past RATP to be more creative and try for the 282,427 and 482. Massive long shot though.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 21, 2019 23:16:59 GMT
As weird as this may sound does anyone else think the reason why DXE have started so quickly is so that AV can prove to TfL that they are able to run their services well after losing so much work or just me 😂 The DXE's are late into service - original date was March IIRC.
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