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Post by VWH1414 on Mar 30, 2018 11:16:23 GMT
Four ex TT DNs have been acquired and will take fleet numbers E45-48 as reported on the Sullivan Buses website I can confirm 2 are DN33778/33779 from these pictures: Former DN33778 - www.flickr.com/photos/50741124@N02/41055101591/in/feed - Credit RML2419 Former DN33779 - www.flickr.com/photos/50741124@N02/41055124211/in/feed - Credit RML2419 I can see it being DN33776-33779 being in the fleet judging by the fact DN33778/33779 are in the fleet, however I guess we'll have to wait and see Honestly I expected it to be some of these acquired for the 626, I can see TPL926/927 being withdrawn which will sadly end Trident President operation in London EDIT: Quick search of lvf confirms its DN33778-33781 I also expect ELV5/ELV6 leaving so the VLE status is narrowing down to 4 vehicles however the 626 report said that its buses from Route 626 will work the commercial routes TPL926/927/ELV5/6 will probably be put into their non London work to replace older vehicles or will be used on rail replacements etc I should imagine, thats what PDL26/ALX6 /ELV2-4 have done
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Post by vlw92 on Apr 1, 2018 8:56:22 GMT
Apparently originally NP said 'we have got no work for you so go SM.' However very recently they said 'OK you can stay but only if you come onto a GAL contract and not stay on the First contract' so I assume some drivers just wanted to stay instead of travelling to SM for every start of shift. This all smacks a feeling of very unsportsmanship behaviour, and doesn't sound legal either?? I wonder if Go-Ahead did this to put other operators off from bidding for their work in future ... Will be interesting to see what happens when the 231 and 491 move to Metroline in the summer. The last part of the post by grubbysa is true. When Go-Ahead lost the 19 and 249 to Arriva, drivers were given the choice to move, but very few drivers wanted to move over to Arriva, creating a huge surplus of drivers and leaving Arriva with some recruitment to do. The surplus drivers moved all over GAL, to C, NP, Q and other garages. I was told that Go-Ahead pay the most out of the London bus companies, but now Sadiq Khan has implemented that equal pay deal, I’m not sure if that’s still true. However, when Metrobus won the X26, I was told quite a lot of drivers wanted to come over from Quality Line, and I sorted out the new driver's locker keys before they arrived on April 15. The amount of drivers coming over were known however well in advance. In the case of NP’s 299 drivers, as mentioned above, 14 were originally intended to come over, but I can only assume the 7 drivers who didn’t go to SB preferred to stay at GAL, and maybe found work on the 153 rota. Any drivers surplus might have been loaned out to other garages until the 214 or another route enters NP in the next few months. I'm not entirely convinced that the 7 all wanted to stay at GAL at the last minute, they must've been talking about it but when it came to the deadline didn't put their names down, but another factor must've been that they lived a bit too far from South Mimms, which I understand is just outside the London boundary, but don't quote me on that because I'm only assuming this. All drivers who are affected by a route loss at GAL are given the option to move, but quite a lot of drivers when it comes to that decision prefer to stay with the company, so I don't think there's any unsportsmanlike behaviour here. This is actually NOT CORRECT... All Ex Arriva drivers on the 19 and 249 all came flying back to Arriva... The only thing that changed was that becuase the 19s were moving to North London they were given 2 choices... #1 move with the route to AR and get paid the disturbance allowance or #2 Move to other garages in South London with a full rota position and most of them decided to go to BN or N to cover for drivers needed on the 249 and the 137 and to this day this is where they remain... Go Ahead drivers on said routes probably decided to stay YES... BUT I CAN ASURE YOU that the majority of Ex Arriva drivers lost those 5 years ago under mandatory TUPE came back with a smile on their face
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 17, 2018 17:06:15 GMT
The 603 is much further from SM than other (non-school) Sullivan routes (Waltham Cross/Potters Bar/Cockfosters/Enfield). Could the 603 possibly operate as a crosslink from the 217? Muswell Hill is not far from Turnpike Lane.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 17, 2018 17:58:18 GMT
The 603 is much further from SM than other (non-school) Sullivan routes (Waltham Cross/Potters Bar/Cockfosters/Enfield). Could the 603 possibly operate as a crosslink from the 217? Muswell Hill is not far from Turnpike Lane. I suspect the PM workings might be interworked somehow but I'd expect the AM jnys to be separate. It's a slight shame there isn't an off peak service as someone like Sullivans could run it pretty cheaply because they have so much school work with vehicles that otherwise stand spare. Still it's a moderate surprise that TfL have kept the 603 intact and retendered it for 5 years.
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Post by ADH45258 on Apr 17, 2018 18:04:13 GMT
The 603 is much further from SM than other (non-school) Sullivan routes (Waltham Cross/Potters Bar/Cockfosters/Enfield). Could the 603 possibly operate as a crosslink from the 217? Muswell Hill is not far from Turnpike Lane. I suspect the PM workings might be interworked somehow but I'd expect the AM jnys to be separate. It's a slight shame there isn't an off peak service as someone like Sullivans could run it pretty cheaply because they have so much school work with vehicles that otherwise stand spare. Still it's a moderate surprise that TfL have kept the 603 intact and retendered it for 5 years. I think the 603 should operate all day using single deckers with a low frequency, maybe every 20 or every 30 minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 18:40:19 GMT
What 2009 buses will Route 603 use?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 18:41:04 GMT
What 2009 buses will Route 603 use? Sorry about double posting accidentally clicked twice?
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Post by Red Dragon on Apr 17, 2018 18:47:39 GMT
What 2009 buses will Route 603 use? Sorry about double posting accidentally clicked twice? For future reference, there should be a cogs button in the top right corner of your post. If you click this post you should be given the option to delete your post.
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Post by redexpress on Apr 17, 2018 23:09:20 GMT
The 603 is much further from SM than other (non-school) Sullivan routes (Waltham Cross/Potters Bar/Cockfosters/Enfield). Could the 603 possibly operate as a crosslink from the 217? Muswell Hill is not far from Turnpike Lane. All 603s start and finish at Muswell Hill so there will be no dead runs to or from Swiss Cottage. SM already have dead runs to & from Muswell Hill on the 653 - it's a pretty quick run via Friern Barnet and Colney Hatch Lane, and we're only talking about a handful of runs per day anyway. I think the timing of the 603 - assuming the service pattern stays the same - may make it difficult to crosslink with other routes. Having said that, there was a crosslink onto the C2 in the pm peak many years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2018 19:47:27 GMT
If Route 603 doesn’t receive any buses out of DN33776 - 33777, 33782 - I’m sure 9545 - 9558 are going off-lease (heard it on some source) and two from there could go to SM. I don’t know where 2009 buses came from unless 9545 - 9558 remain and replace some buses at QB or remain at WL - to then withdraw some 94**’s
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Post by vjaska on Apr 20, 2018 19:54:07 GMT
If Route 603 doesn’t receive any buses out of DN33776 - 33777, 33782 - I’m sure 9545 - 9558 are going off-lease (heard it on some source) and two from there could go to SM. I don’t know where 2009 buses came from unless 9545 - 9558 remain and replace some buses at QB or remain at WL - to then withdraw some 94**’s The 09 reg Abellio ones were refurbished for the 345 & E9 except for 9465-66 though I don't expect them to be sold either. It's possible that there are still 2009 Omnicity's up for sale wherever which Sullivan Buses already have a sizeable number of
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Post by YY13VKP on Apr 20, 2018 20:06:37 GMT
If Route 603 doesn’t receive any buses out of DN33776 - 33777, 33782 - I’m sure 9545 - 9558 are going off-lease (heard it on some source) and two from there could go to SM. I don’t know where 2009 buses came from unless 9545 - 9558 remain and replace some buses at QB or remain at WL - to then withdraw some 94**’s The 09 reg Abellio ones were refurbished for the 345 & E9 except for 9465-66 though I don't expect them to be sold either. It's possible that there are still 2009 Omnicity's up for sale wherever which Sullivan Buses already have a sizeable number of They could also take on some of the 59 reg Scania's being released from the D8 loss (the ex 64 batch)
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Post by redexpress on Apr 20, 2018 21:15:05 GMT
If Route 603 doesn’t receive any buses out of DN33776 - 33777, 33782 - I’m sure 9545 - 9558 are going off-lease (heard it on some source) and two from there could go to SM. I don’t know where 2009 buses came from unless 9545 - 9558 remain and replace some buses at QB or remain at WL - to then withdraw some 94**’s I suspect Sullivan had not yet decided which buses to acquire for the 603, so 2009 was put down as being the oldest buses that TfL would accept for the contract. If they get something newer (and I hope they do), the buses will still be compliant. No point promising 2012 buses only to end up buying 2011 buses.
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Post by cl54 on Apr 20, 2018 21:28:14 GMT
If Route 603 doesn’t receive any buses out of DN33776 - 33777, 33782 - I’m sure 9545 - 9558 are going off-lease (heard it on some source) and two from there could go to SM. I don’t know where 2009 buses came from unless 9545 - 9558 remain and replace some buses at QB or remain at WL - to then withdraw some 94**’s I suspect Sullivan had not yet decided which buses to acquire for the 603, so 2009 was put down as being the oldest buses that TfL would accept for the contract. If they get something newer (and I hope they do), the buses will still be compliant. No point promising 2012 buses only to end up buying 2011 buses. If the ULEZ is extended to the north circular road the buses will have to be Euro VI.
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Post by busoccultation on Apr 20, 2018 21:33:21 GMT
I suspect Sullivan had not yet decided which buses to acquire for the 603, so 2009 was put down as being the oldest buses that TfL would accept for the contract. If they get something newer (and I hope they do), the buses will still be compliant. No point promising 2012 buses only to end up buying 2011 buses. If the ULEZ is extended to the north circular road the buses will have to be Euro VI. In that case, an existing Euro 4 and 5 buses can be modified to Euro 6 in order to comply with the ULEZ.
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