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Post by bexleybusdude on Nov 28, 2007 11:27:40 GMT
I thought it would be best to start a news item thread for anything new that has just flashed up on the BBC for instance. Here is the first one regarding bus drivers dying early. Enjoy guys. (I am not a bus driver) news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7116720.stm
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Post by bexleybusdude on Dec 19, 2007 9:08:48 GMT
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Post by DLA 365 on Dec 19, 2007 10:47:38 GMT
That looks like it will only happen when pigs fly over a frozen hell!!
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Post by greeny253 on Dec 19, 2007 11:59:53 GMT
And I note that the biggest issue for London Buses in that report was £££££. That's all they are really worried about.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2007 12:52:31 GMT
And I note that the biggest issue for London Buses in that report was £££££. That's all they are really worried about. True, although it doesn't seem to stop them splashing millions and millions of pounds on other stuff such as route extensions. I looked at that new RM pic - that's awful, looks like I designed it ;D
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Post by bexleybusdude on Dec 19, 2007 20:22:20 GMT
I have drawn better futuristic pictures of Routemasters that that one from when I was younger! By the way where the hell did that t**t newt man Ken Livingstone get the figure of 600 million pounds a year from? He just seems to make up figures from the top of his head just to discredit the opposition.
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Post by gal06 on Dec 19, 2007 22:52:45 GMT
I would pay for a £22 weekly bus pass rather than £13 if the new routemasters are in operation, it would mean a conductor and more chance of you staying safe unlike modern counterparts.
All that idiot Livingstone is bothered about is money, he couldnt give a toss about passenger safety. Only if it is a racial black murder will he speak out as it will make the Labour party politically incorrect by not doing so.
Ask any right thinking passenger and they will tell you they would be happy to pay a bit more for safety.
By the way, it wouldnt be as high as £22. Kids would have to pay aswell. - Gareth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2007 23:45:45 GMT
Ask any right thinking passenger and they will tell you they would be happy to pay a bit more for safety. Well on every occasion where Council Tax payers have been asked to voted for 3 different levels of service for 3 different Council tax increases, they have always plumped for the cheapest - i.e. they want the best level of service as possible as long as it does not hit their pockets. There would be uproar if price increase like you suggested were even considered. Additionally what is a conductor going to do - risk his own personal safety and try to disarm a guy with a knife or a gun. Conductor or no conductor - if someone with a gun wants to shoot someone they will.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 16:51:01 GMT
The figures seems to be based on the assumption that all routes are converted. In reality only a handful of very busy central London routes that are profitable that need them, like the 9, 38, 73 for example.
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Post by gal06 on Dec 20, 2007 21:49:42 GMT
Steve the alternative is that the roads become log-jamed with cars again as people feel safer behind the wheel than they do on the bus.
That prat Livingstone has given hooligans free tickets and spongers half price travel yet we cant fund a security guard on the bus. Fantastic. - Gareth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2007 22:24:58 GMT
Steve the alternative is that the roads become log-jamed with cars again as people feel safer behind the wheel than they do on the bus. That prat Livingstone has given hooligans free tickets and spongers half price travel yet we cant fund a security guard on the bus. Fantastic. - Gareth. Please don't exaggerate things. For the vast vast majority of people, buses are pretty safe for the vast majority of times. Being annoyed by others on buses might be common place but life threatening situations are very, very rare. I can't personally see the public being prepared for an 80% fares increase just to minimise superficial annoyance. I have travelled on the 8 and 25 in late evenings on a number of times and I am yet to encounter a situation I really don't want to be in.
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Post by gal06 on Dec 21, 2007 0:09:05 GMT
Lucky you NCT, Im pleased things are nice and easy for you in Nottingham.
I just wish you had seen some of the things I have on the tops of buses in the evening and at night. You certainly wouldnt have the same dismissive attitude you posted on that last message.
Ive seen a girl being threatened with a knife, a young kid told he was going to be sliced up blood, many people intimidated and just getting off altogether. Honestly, you people are not living in the real world.Your probably a businessman, analysing how to save money and defending decisions by telling people on the frontline they are exaggering when reporting problems as they dont want to put their hand in their pocket to make things easier.
So you thinks its ok that kids - that smash up buses and bully passegers - get free fares?
You think its right that people that dont have a job get fares for half price?
You think its ok to take no action when people are being mudered on the tops of buses?
Im sorry, but I dont. I think its unacceptable and its just beyond belief were having this conversation. How can you justify all this? - Gareth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2007 14:23:23 GMT
Lucky you NCT, Im pleased things are nice and easy for you in Nottingham. I just wish you had seen some of the things I have on the tops of buses in the evening and at night. You certainly wouldnt have the same dismissive attitude you posted on that last message. Ive seen a girl being threatened with a knife, a young kid told he was going to be sliced up blood, many people intimidated and just getting off altogether. Honestly, you people are not living in the real world.Your probably a businessman, analysing how to save money and defending decisions by telling people on the frontline they are exaggering when reporting problems as they dont want to put their hand in their pocket to make things easier. So you thinks its ok that kids - that smash up buses and bully passegers - get free fares? You think its right that people that dont have a job get fares for half price? You think its ok to take no action when people are being mudered on the tops of buses? Im sorry, but I dont. I think its unacceptable and its just beyond belief were having this conversation. How can you justify all this? - Gareth. I do apologise if I caused any offence. the experience I talked about was in fact in London. Perhaps I happened to have travelled in the "right" direction hence avoided the kind of trouble you have encountered. I do not think that it's right that kids get free travel, nor do I think it's OK for people to be threatened with a knife or murdered on buses. However, these things are still rare. Please do not start fuming at this stage but read on, as I do believe that things need to be sorted. But to balance things out, people just would not accept a £22 weekly bus pass (or an £80 monthly pass or whatever). They'd switch into their cars faster than anyone could imagine. What you then get is complete traffic chaos during the day every day. There is no overnight solution to any problem. We can't just make these dangerous situations suddenly disappear without causing problems elsewhere. This scenario needs to be thouroughly looked at and dealt with on a society level. We are probably being too confrontational and not addressing the core of the problem, or addressing the problem wisely. Kids' Free Travel and New Deal Passes should probably be the first things to be scrapped/reviewed.
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Post by gal06 on Dec 21, 2007 23:16:00 GMT
The problem is NCT, while its good that you are trying to put things constructively, people are being murdered NOW and we dont have time to have a think about it because more people will be killed.
The society thing is obvious, this mass-violence all came about through mass-immigration. Different cultures have brought their violent ways to the capital and now we are seeing the full extent of the fall out.
And how do we respond? By taking conductors off buses and having a driver be solely responsible against these thugs. Is the answer, if we dont want another body on-board, to arm the bus drivers with pepper sprays and batons to defend themselves and fellow-passengers?
Before all this immigration, the worst violence on buses would be a conductor beaten up. For that, London buses went on strike! These days, bus staff getting injured would be considered light to what usually happens. Im afraid is totally out of control and I propose to tackle it head-on.
The problem with your cost arguement NCT is that the solution is not to do anything. OK, if you dont raise costs, are people more or less likely to use the buses if their cheap but dangerous, rather than not cheap but as safe as houses? I think people consider safety first. Im sure that lad on the N159 would have paid more fare to stay alive.
I propose to finance a guard on the bus, we raise the child fare from £0 to 0.50p, scrap ibus as it is poo, a waste of money, and not used on the buses they have been installed on. Also, every bus in London must have a shelf life of a minimum of 10-years. The first 5 will be used on a major route in central London, and the 6th and 10th year on a suburban route. This ensures London has good buses, but gets a full life out of them.
I would even propose on the last point that TfL buys the vehicles for the contractor and takes them back when a route changes hands to save money on persistently buying new buses when the current ones are not that old. Just like trains. - Gareth.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2007 10:46:55 GMT
The problem is NCT, while its good that you are trying to put things constructively, people are being murdered NOW and we dont have time to have a think about it because more people will be killed. More people are being killed on London's Streets than on buses - so is this really a bus problem? No one want any deaths on buses, just the same as you do not want them on the streets. Please tell me how you expect a guard/ conductor to stop a knife/gun attack. You seem to be advocating the everyone must carry guns to defend themselves culture ... but look at the US ... that DOES not work Do you mind me asking how old you are - or are you resting rosy tales your granadma told you? If public transport becomes too expensive (and remember we have the most expensive system on the world) people will go back to using their cars. I doubt a 50p surcharge for kids would cover this cost. Ibus is only partially rolled out at present - how can an on-line real time bus sytem be bad for passengers? Most buses do 10 years in London - so do not see this is a problem - why should the suburbs not get the new buses? Plenty of R/S/T reg vehicles around.
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