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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2007 14:13:10 GMT
If anybodys been to Angel station since yesterday, or Old Street, you will notice that the entire station at platform level, has been graffitied. Why do these people do it?
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Post by lc1 on Jan 1, 2008 11:37:10 GMT
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Post by bexleybusdude on Jan 1, 2008 15:17:30 GMT
I just saw this on the BBC website just now. Looks like it was speeding.
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Post by Madstuntman on Jan 1, 2008 18:08:29 GMT
It was a Bendybus that was out of service according to BBC news so i can only assume it was a light running 453 I just saw this on the BBC website just now. Looks like it was speeding. The bus or the car??
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Post by beaver14uk on Jan 1, 2008 18:12:37 GMT
ETBBV heard that it was a 453. In fact now found this. thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/article638216.eceIt was a Bendybus that was out of service according to BBC news so i can only assume it was a light running 453 I just saw this on the BBC website just now. Looks like it was speeding. The bus or the car??
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Post by bexleybusdude on Jan 1, 2008 21:47:28 GMT
Sorry, I meant the car was speeding madstuntman, not the bus! It's to be expected really with young adults\kids at the wheel. This reminds me quite a few years ago now of the really, really bad crash with the Mini Metro with the Stagecoach Alexander Dart on the 269 from Bexleyheath going over the bridge over the A2 just before the Blue Anchor pub. The Metro stopped very late at night opposite my house. The music from the car was ear splitting and that was me in bed under the covers so I don't know what it was like in the car. They dropped off two neighbours girls who were about 14/15 at the time then the Metro sped off making loads of noise with a dodgy exhaust heading towards Bexleyheath. The three people that were left went burning up there on the wrong side of the road over the bridge and smashed head on in to the bus. Nothing much was left of the tatty car. The driver I heard took a break and in the end he went back to driving but never wanted to drive on the 269 route ever again. People still leave flowers at the spot even now all these years later. At the time the parents in the local paper said their kids were bright, well obviously not for speeding on the wrong side of the road over a bridge. I never done anything like that, but then me and my mates never had much money. We would try to look cool in a MK1 Fiesta trying to go fast which was impossible only for an old banger of an orange coloured Skoda glide past us with an old lady driving in Blackfen. Oh the shame! One of my mates did have a G reg Ford Orion once and his dad used to work at BX Garage and he managed to bring home somehow an exhaust from a Leyland Titan which he put on his car. It was the dogs b's!!! It was the biggest exhaust on a car you had ever seen
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 2, 2008 0:36:01 GMT
I Suspect similar circumstances to the incident with an N89 in welling last year involving one of my colleagues. I have my own views on this accident but, will refrain from posting them in-case it causes any offence.
My thoughts are with all those involved and affected by this tragic incident!
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Post by Volvo on Jan 2, 2008 1:24:18 GMT
Im sorry to hear that incident and my condelences go out to the parents of the three that died. I must say the speed of the car must have been tremendous, I mean its a pegoet 206 3dr its probably weights only something like 1.2 tonnes and it pushed that golliath 16.6 tonne bendy bus back 3.5 to 4ft OMG.
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Post by lc1 on Jan 2, 2008 10:40:36 GMT
I Suspect similar circumstances to the incident with an N89 in welling last year involving one of my colleagues. I have my own views on this accident but, will refrain from posting them in-case it causes any offence. My thoughts are with all those involved and affected by this tragic incident! I suspect your right regarding the similarity to the N89 incident Like you I will not mention my thoughts or indeed the canteen gossip I heard yesterday (half it is rubbish anyway) and will just send my condolences to those involved.
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Post by eggmiester on Jan 2, 2008 22:13:36 GMT
Sorry, I meant the car was speeding madstuntman, not the bus! It's to be expected really with young adults\kids at the wheel. This reminds me quite a few years ago now of the really, really bad crash with the Mini Metro with the Stagecoach Alexander Dart on the 269 from Bexleyheath going over the bridge over the A2 just before the Blue Anchor pub. The Metro stopped very late at night opposite my house. The music from the car was ear splitting and that was me in bed under the covers so I don't know what it was like in the car. They dropped off two neighbours girls who were about 14/15 at the time then the Metro sped off making loads of noise with a dodgy exhaust heading towards Bexleyheath. The three people that were left went burning up there on the wrong side of the road over the bridge and smashed head on in to the bus. Nothing much was left of the tatty car. The driver I heard took a break and in the end he went back to driving but never wanted to drive on the 269 route ever again. People still leave flowers at the spot even now all these years later. At the time the parents in the local paper said their kids were bright, well obviously not for speeding on the wrong side of the road over a bridge. I never done anything like that, but then me and my mates never had much money. We would try to look cool in a MK1 Fiesta trying to go fast which was impossible only for an old banger of an orange coloured Skoda glide past us with an old lady driving in Blackfen. Oh the shame! One of my mates did have a G reg Ford Orion once and his dad used to work at BX Garage and he managed to bring home somehow an exhaust from a Leyland Titan which he put on his car. It was the dogs b's!!! It was the biggest exhaust on a car you had ever seen I remember that one with the 269, one of my ex girlfriends at the time went to school with one of them. I remember reading the newspapers and seeing the tv news reports on that one. IIRC that was somtime in 1999.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 19:20:56 GMT
It was a Bendybus that was out of service according to BBC news so i can only assume it was a light running 453 I just saw this on the BBC website just now. Looks like it was speeding. The bus or the car?? Regardless of the cause I think questions have to be asked about the safety of running such large buses on our roads. I don't know that aea but the bus appeared to be running along a residential road that not suprisingly had cars parked on either side. I think one of the things that neds to be established is whether that bus should have been travelling along that road. They should only be travelling along approved routes and that includes when they are out of service. I suspect thi bus may have been taking an unauthorised route
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Post by HA2215 on Jan 7, 2008 21:08:12 GMT
Bob, its ludicrous to say regardless of the cause. whether it was officail line of route or not. and from the pictures seen from here it clearly shows to me that the bus was in the correct lane so whether it was on offical line or unofficial its just a pure accident. ... by what your saying imo you might aswell blame the driver for driving down that particular road ... its ludicrous. My thoughts are with the families and the Bus Driver.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 21:12:11 GMT
Bob im sure youre not meaning to cause offence by your comments and i know there are a number of people who are opposed to bendy buses and they are entitled to their opinions. However a number of members on this forum including myself are professional PCV drivers who although we complain about the job sometimes actually quite like what we do, why should anyone say we cant drive certain types of vehicle that are perfectly road legal and all bus companies carry out route training and risk assesments for service and light running routes and when things go wrong and diversions on or off service have to be taken why shouldnt a driver use his/her local knowledge to get through even though just to be afraid of another vehicle ending up on the wrong side of the road and colliding with them, in this case i dont know the local area however from the few photos i have seen it looks more than wide enough for this type of vehicle.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 22:52:01 GMT
Bob im sure youre not meaning to cause offence by your comments and i know there are a number of people who are opposed to bendy buses and they are entitled to their opinions. However a number of members on this forum including myself are professional PCV drivers who although we complain about the job sometimes actually quite like what we do, why should anyone say we cant drive certain types of vehicle that are perfectly road legal and all bus companies carry out route training and risk assesments for service and light running routes and when things go wrong and diversions on or off service have to be taken why shouldnt a driver use his/her local knowledge to get through even though just to be afraid of another vehicle ending up on the wrong side of the road and colliding with them, in this case i dont know the local area however from the few photos i have seen it looks more than wide enough for this type of vehicle. I am not trying to blame anyone but safety has to be a priority. Bendy buses should only be going allong approved routes and roads. Tfl only allow them to be driven allong approved roads. This is done for safety reasons. Departing from approved routes can lead to buses getting stuck and pose danger to other vehicles. Yes risk assesments are carried out they are caried out for safety reasons and the roads are accessed for the suitabilty for the type of vehicle. Your approach of an articulated bus should run over any road the driver happens to think might be suitable is both reckless and potentially dangerous. We do not at present know the case of the accident so no ssumptions should be made but what we do know if that this bus should not have been on this particular road and no doubt the investigation will look into this aspect. It certainly concerns me that you do not appear to understand the risk & dangers of taking an articulated bus down an unapproved route.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2008 23:30:41 GMT
Bob,
If there were not any width or weight restrictions sign posted on that road then legally that bus has every right to be there. The same goes for HGV's to - it does not matter whether it was or was not on an authorised route.
Trying to `score points` for the anti-bendi brigade out of this tragic accident is not something I would wish to condone. If it had been a dustcart, decker or Dart the car would have ended up the same shape
As far as I am concerned, a bendi bus is a bus that simply moves people from A to B - just like a decker or a Dart. Being a little bit of a traditionalist I prefer my buses to have 2 decks - but do not have this great aversion to bendi's like some
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