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Post by VPL630 on Nov 7, 2012 15:40:26 GMT
Greater Anglia passengers from Essex and Hertfordshire arriving at London's Liverpool Street station will be able to use Oyster cards from January, with card readers installed in Brentwood, Shenfield, Waltham Cross, Theobalds Grove, Cheshunt and Broxbourne
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 16:26:26 GMT
Greater Anglia passengers from Essex and Hertfordshire arriving at London's Liverpool Street station will be able to use Oyster cards from January, with card readers installed in Brentwood, Shenfield, Waltham Cross, Theobalds Grove, Cheshunt and Broxbourne Probably part of the eventual transition to Crossrail for the Shenfield Metro line. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 19:32:12 GMT
Why not Slough as theres a TFL bus service there...
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 19:44:06 GMT
Why not Slough as theres a TFL bus service there... Because Slough isn't in London - just because there's a TFL bus there, doesn't mean it's in London, there's TFL buses in the Potters Bar and Westerham areas but they're not London and there's no obligation for TFL to make them eligible for Oyster  TFL are slowly putting Oyster readers on border stations but I imagine it takes a fair bit of negotiation with National Rail operators, and there has to be a sufficient number of people actually travelling across the London border to intermediate stations to justify it. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 20:14:36 GMT
Same for Epsom. However I believe there is a lot of work going into trying to persuade the movement of it into the London travel card zone 6.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2012 20:25:18 GMT
Given the Tattenham Corner branch is entirely in Zone 6 despite half of it actually being outside London I can understand why Epsom might be considered for Zone 6 too.
At the other end of the spectrum, it's Shoreditch High Street being Zone 1 that's always irritated me! Shoreditch was in Zone 2, and it means you can't do the orbital loop while avoiding Zone 1.
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Post by Swadbus on Nov 7, 2012 22:12:24 GMT
Greater Anglia passengers from Essex and Hertfordshire arriving at London's Liverpool Street station will be able to use Oyster cards from January, with card readers installed in Brentwood, Shenfield, Waltham Cross, Theobalds Grove, Cheshunt and Broxbourne This was one of the commitments for the franchise agreement made by Abellio when they bid for the franchise. |
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Post by snoggle on Nov 7, 2012 23:28:46 GMT
Why not Slough as theres a TFL bus service there... Because Slough isn't in London - just because there's a TFL bus there, doesn't mean it's in London, there's TFL buses in the Potters Bar and Westerham areas but they're not London and there's no obligation for TFL to make them eligible for Oyster TFL are slowly putting Oyster readers on border stations but I imagine it takes a fair bit of negotiation with National Rail operators, and there has to be a sufficient number of people actually travelling across the London border to intermediate stations to justify it. Stations as far as Maidenhead will probably end up on Oyster because of Crossrail. As the Great Western franchise is up for retender don't expect anything in the near future. I imagine the DfT have stuck something about this into the franchise spec. However Oyster will not be extended any further than required for Crossrail and to meet the GA franchise commitment. The DfT do not want Oyster extended and have blocked several TOC proposals to extend Oyster. They want (or require) TOCs to use ITSO standard smartcards even though ITSO is relatively unproven in mass market rail usage. My recent observations of ITSO card use on buses outside London show it to be agonisingly slow. If it is as slow on ticket gates or validators then it will be a disaster at busy stations. The Tattenham Corner line was included in Zone 6 because Southern were amenable to it and I suspect TfL lobbied hard to make the change as they funded improvements on the Southern franchise. Epsom is much more problematic because SWT run some of the services and SWT are not at all sympathetic to Oyster given they were the last TOC to sign up for it and were responsible (in part) for the delay to extending PAYG on to National Rail. I suspect this may also be why there is no progress on extending Oyster PAYG out to Staines despite it being popular on TfL buses that reach Staines. Several GLA members have regularly lobbied for Oyster to be extended outside the zones but neither Boris nor TfL are able to force the DfT's hand. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 15:06:14 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that Oyster was planned to be extended further from Waltham Cross up to Hertford East? I may be wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2012 18:42:29 GMT
I do remember reading something about Hertfordshire though it never seemed to happen.
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Post by snoggle on Nov 8, 2012 23:04:38 GMT
I'm sure I read somewhere that Oyster was planned to be extended further from Waltham Cross up to Hertford East? I may be wrong. The original announcement when the new franchise was awarded to Abellio did include a commitment to PAYG reaching Hertford East. It is not clear whether the Hertford East branch has been removed from the plans or will be a later phase. I have read a comment somewhere else that the deadline for fulfilling the franchise commitment on Oyster PAYG is May 2013 so there would be a further 5 months to equip the Hertford East branch. National Rail and TfL have three "slots" for fare changes each year one of which is in May when the Summer timetable services kick in. This would afford a planned opportunity to add in the Hertford East branch without extra costs for fares changes. |
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Post by twobellstogo on Nov 9, 2012 17:32:10 GMT
Because Slough isn't in London - just because there's a TFL bus there, doesn't mean it's in London, there's TFL buses in the Potters Bar and Westerham areas but they're not London and there's no obligation for TFL to make them eligible for Oyster TFL are slowly putting Oyster readers on border stations but I imagine it takes a fair bit of negotiation with National Rail operators, and there has to be a sufficient number of people actually travelling across the London border to intermediate stations to justify it. Stations as far as Maidenhead will probably end up on Oyster because of Crossrail. As the Great Western franchise is up for retender don't expect anything in the near future. I imagine the DfT have stuck something about this into the franchise spec. However Oyster will not be extended any further than required for Crossrail and to meet the GA franchise commitment. The DfT do not want Oyster extended and have blocked several TOC proposals to extend Oyster. They want (or require) TOCs to use ITSO standard smartcards even though ITSO is relatively unproven in mass market rail usage. My recent observations of ITSO card use on buses outside London show it to be agonisingly slow. If it is as slow on ticket gates or validators then it will be a disaster at busy stations. The Tattenham Corner line was included in Zone 6 because Southern were amenable to it and I suspect TfL lobbied hard to make the change as they funded improvements on the Southern franchise. Epsom is much more problematic because SWT run some of the services and SWT are not at all sympathetic to Oyster given they were the last TOC to sign up for it and were responsible (in part) for the delay to extending PAYG on to National Rail. I suspect this may also be why there is no progress on extending Oyster PAYG out to Staines despite it being popular on TfL buses that reach Staines. Several GLA members have regularly lobbied for Oyster to be extended outside the zones but neither Boris nor TfL are able to force the DfT's hand. Apart from Crossrail stations, GA, and the very outside chance of Dartford, I think that will be it for Oyster extensions. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 17:54:01 GMT
I fear you may be right, I can't see it going out much further.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 21:50:58 GMT
Same for Epsom. However I believe there is a lot of work going into trying to persuade the movement of it into the London travel card zone 6. Watford should be part of travel card zone 6. Becuase i would have travel card zone 7 and more outside the M25. I wished the National Rail oyster fares is the same as TFL metro. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2012 22:36:50 GMT
Same for Epsom. However I believe there is a lot of work going into trying to persuade the movement of it into the London travel card zone 6. Watford should be part of travel card zone 6. Becuase i would have travel card zone 7 and more outside the M25. I wished the National Rail oyster fares is the same as TFL metro. The National Rail is operated on an entirely different basis to the TFL metro though, so no chance the fares would be the same without a lot of subsidy from TFL to the rail companies... |
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