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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2012 13:57:50 GMT
The difference is the DLR hardly ever strike or even not at all. London Underground strike every year and I and many others have had enough. They either stop striking or face the consequence by replacing them with ATO or UTO. Oh and can Bob Crow be sacked while we at it. Bob Crow isn't a public servant, he's an elected union rep. We couldn't fire him if we wanted to, only the RMT Union could. Unfortunately we're stuck with him That bit was meant to be a joke. I know he is part of the RMT
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Post by daveb0789 on Dec 6, 2012 13:58:58 GMT
Vjaska don't you think if it were that easy to ATO or even UTO that it would have been done years ago? It isn't easy to do. Trains and any equipment to do with them is expensive. To give an example. A Borismaster is about £400k. A single carriage for a class 378 costs £1 million.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 14:09:33 GMT
Bob Crow isn't a public servant, he's an elected union rep. We couldn't fire him if we wanted to, only the RMT Union could. Unfortunately we're stuck with him That bit was meant to be a joke. I know he is part of the RMT Oh right. I was just checking, some people think he's just a really vocal Tube driver!
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2012 14:34:17 GMT
Vjaska don't you think if it were that easy to ATO or even UTO that it would have been done years ago? It isn't easy to do. Trains and any equipment to do with them is expensive. To give an example. A Borismaster is about £400k. A single carriage for a class 378 costs £1 million. Never said its easy. All I stated was that its been around in Europe since 1963 and if there was serious safety concerns about the system, I'm sure it would of been removed. How many times do we hear of an accident on the Victoria Line when compared to other lines? The same question for the DLR? If it gets rid of greedy tube drivers, then I'm all for it.
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Post by vjaska on Dec 6, 2012 14:36:10 GMT
That bit was meant to be a joke. I know he is part of the RMT Oh right. I was just checking, some people think he's just a really vocal Tube driver! That's ok, I'm just tired of seeing Bob Crow spouting the same old rubbish when he couldn't give two hoots for his members - his salary shows that!
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Post by daveb0789 on Dec 6, 2012 16:23:01 GMT
I have to disagree. The RMT has done a lot to keep its members happy. That's why a customer service agent on the tube gets paid more than a bus driver and does less hours.
New metro systems are generally ATO sometimes even UTO but converting exisiting systems is very expensive and that is the problem.
One thing I hate about my job is everyone lumps us together. Greedy and overpaid. I wish I was an airline pilot.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 17:01:20 GMT
I have to disagree. The RMT has done a lot to keep its members happy. That's why a customer service agent on the tube gets paid more than a bus driver and does less hours. New metro systems are generally ATO sometimes even UTO but converting exisiting systems is very expensive and that is the problem. One thing I hate about my job is everyone lumps us together. Greedy and overpaid. I wish I was an airline pilot. I wouldn't necessarily say Tube drivers are greedy and overpaid, more the opposite in that similar jobs should be more highly paid. As for the RMT and trade unions in general they do a good job in sticking up for those that otherwise wouldn't have the time or money to stand up for themselves in situations like unfair dismissal, which is certainly a good thing - though certain union boss figures such as Crow are pretty awful and I'm no apologist for them - suggesting you stick up for the working people and then acting like a wealthy man is champagne socialism at its worst - but then Bob Crow and Tube workers are two different things no matter how much they're lumped in together.
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Post by RM5chris on Dec 6, 2012 17:36:41 GMT
I don't see why not if you have a guided busway and a control system similar to ATO - should be possible. It certainly shouldn't be a problem for trams, anyway - they can only run in a straight line. As for buses, it would be much more tricky.[/quote] Not with the guided busway system as the guide wheels fitted to the vehicle 'steer' the bus around the 'track' system.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 18:39:32 GMT
It certainly shouldn't be a problem for trams, anyway - they can only run in a straight line. As for buses, it would be much more tricky. Not with the guided busway system as the guide wheels fitted to the vehicle 'steer' the bus around the 'track' system. Indeed, but then that's difficult in itself because you have to install guided busways just about anywhere the bus might need to go.
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Post by RM5chris on Dec 6, 2012 20:01:03 GMT
Not with the guided busway system as the guide wheels fitted to the vehicle 'steer' the bus around the 'track' system. Indeed, but then that's difficult in itself because you have to install guided busways just about anywhere the bus might need to go. Of course - it would not happen due to the infustructure that would be needed - I mentioned the busways in response to 'what next, driverless buses?' to illistrate it would be possible....but very unlikely (not due to the technology!)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2012 21:23:49 GMT
Indeed, but then that's difficult in itself because you have to install guided busways just about anywhere the bus might need to go. Of course - it would not happen due to the infustructure that would be needed - I mentioned the busways in response to 'what next, driverless buses?' to illistrate it would be possible....but very unlikely (not due to the technology!) Oh, I see, yes! Given the outrage about bendy buses, imagine if they tried a bigger, more expensive and more complicated project
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Post by romfordbuses on Dec 6, 2012 21:46:35 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Dec 7, 2012 1:32:08 GMT
Indeed, but then that's difficult in itself because you have to install guided busways just about anywhere the bus might need to go. Of course - it would not happen due to the infustructure that would be needed - I mentioned the busways in response to 'what next, driverless buses?' to illistrate it would be possible....but very unlikely (not due to the technology!) Depends on the scale of it. One's like the Cambridge & Hampshire guided busways wouldn't happen in London as you would need a lot of land for starters but in Crawley they have small dosages of guided busways intwined with existing roads which could be done in London in certain places.
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Post by joefrombow on Dec 7, 2012 6:33:08 GMT
Indeed, but then that's difficult in itself because you have to install guided busways just about anywhere the bus might need to go. Of course - it would not happen due to the infustructure that would be needed - I mentioned the busways in response to 'what next, driverless buses?' to illistrate it would be possible....but very unlikely (not due to the technology!) Given how fast technologies moving give it 15 or so years there probably will be driverless buses wouldn't surprise me the smartphones of today in 2002 were unthinkable ! Probably be a Borismaster 2 with no driver just a conductor or a PSA
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