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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 5, 2019 21:03:16 GMT
To be honest still seems a slightly odd selection of routes to be gaining such expensive buses.
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Post by rj131 on Oct 5, 2019 21:25:13 GMT
"Adding to the 29 x BYD/ADL E400EVs for London United route 94, another order is for 49 of the same for Go-Ahead routes 106, 212, 230 and 357 next Spring." - Quoted from LOTS ......... WHAT?!?!?!?! Didn’t in a million years see that coming! Like someone said earlier surely they’ll get diverted to a central London route in exchange for hybrids. ‘Ee’ I guess these will be coded
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Post by rj131 on Oct 5, 2019 21:33:10 GMT
Seems funny the 357 is getting electrics especially after it was possibly being considered for withdrawal a few months ago. Personally I would have hoped a central London route converted and the cascaded hybrids out to the 357. Quite ironic too because the 476 is still a diesel despite it going into Central London, whereas the 357 is getting electrics. Didnt even think of that, that makes no sense at all.
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Post by E279 on Oct 5, 2019 21:45:20 GMT
"Adding to the 29 x BYD/ADL E400EVs for London United route 94, another order is for 49 of the same for Go-Ahead routes 106, 212, 230 and 357 next Spring." - Quoted from LOTS ......... WHAT?!?!?!?! Didn’t in a million years see that coming! Like someone said earlier surely they’ll get diverted to a central London route in exchange for hybrids. ‘Ee’ I guess these will be coded I don’t think they’ll be diverted NPs mission is to become fully electric and has been for a whilez
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Post by brutxi on Oct 5, 2019 21:49:53 GMT
To be honest still seems a slightly odd selection of routes to be gaining such expensive buses. I am actually quite happy to see a couple of non high profile routes getting electric vehicles. Allocation of electric vehicles should not be concentrated solely in zone 1. With the ULEZ expansion in 2021, I am sure residents especially in Waltham Forest would appreciate the difference in air quality.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 5, 2019 21:59:25 GMT
"Adding to the 29 x BYD/ADL E400EVs for London United route 94, another order is for 49 of the same for Go-Ahead routes 106, 212, 230 and 357 next Spring." - Quoted from LOTS ......... WHAT?!?!?!?! Didn’t in a million years see that coming! Like someone said earlier surely they’ll get diverted to a central London route in exchange for hybrids. ‘Ee’ I guess these will be coded I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2019 22:06:48 GMT
......... WHAT?!?!?!?! Didn’t in a million years see that coming! Like someone said earlier surely they’ll get diverted to a central London route in exchange for hybrids. ‘Ee’ I guess these will be coded I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage. You make a good point about Walthamstow lobbies! Didn't think about that until you mentioned it.
I always had the impression NP was in a rather industrial area and could be at risk of redevelopment at some stage in the future but the same could be said about other garages.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 5, 2019 22:08:33 GMT
I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage. You make a good point about Walthamstow lobbies! Didn't think about that until you mentioned it.
I always had the impression NP was in a rather industrial area and could be at risk of redevelopment at some stage in the future but the same could be said about other garages.
Inspired by Neville Chamberlain, TfL have adopted a policy of appeasment. They are appeasing the Walthamstow lobby now, and caving into pressure due to their low popularity in the area with the loss of the 48.
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Post by rj131 on Oct 5, 2019 22:26:35 GMT
......... WHAT?!?!?!?! Didn’t in a million years see that coming! Like someone said earlier surely they’ll get diverted to a central London route in exchange for hybrids. ‘Ee’ I guess these will be coded I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage. I thought that too, especially the 106 and 230 which were intensely competitive this time round. It pretty much counts out the other five bidders for these two routes next time round, unless another operator can put in an astonishing bid to win them.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 5, 2019 22:28:38 GMT
I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage. I thought that too, especially the 106 and 230 which were intensely competitive this time round. It pretty much counts out the other five bidders for these two routes next time round, unless another operator can put in an astonishing bid to win them. Yes although arguably it's even less fair to give the 35 electrics because its in the middle of the contract term, and would give Go Ahead a huge advantage.
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Post by george on Oct 5, 2019 22:32:43 GMT
......... WHAT?!?!?!?! Didn’t in a million years see that coming! Like someone said earlier surely they’ll get diverted to a central London route in exchange for hybrids. ‘Ee’ I guess these will be coded I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage. Not going to lie but I was genuinely surprise that the 29 got retained with it's existing HVs, I would have bet that the route would have got Electrics. I know the HVs are compliant but you would think TfL would want to have the newest and best double deckers in Central London. The HVs are going to look out of place in a few years time in my opinion as all other buses in central London will be fairly new. EDIT. I should be clear when I say Newest and best I'm not suggesting the 29 HVs aren't good.
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Post by vjaska on Oct 6, 2019 1:59:32 GMT
To be honest still seems a slightly odd selection of routes to be gaining such expensive buses. I am actually quite happy to see a couple of non high profile routes getting electric vehicles. Allocation of electric vehicles should not be concentrated solely in zone 1. With the ULEZ expansion in 2021, I am sure residents especially in Waltham Forest would appreciate the difference in air quality. Going by that note then, surely the electric buses should be introduced on the worst polluting corridors of which I don't believe any are in Waltham Forest? The most polluted roads in London are Putney High Street, Brixton Road & Marylebone Road so surely these should be a priority first Also, no matter what new buses would be brought, air quality would improve regardless of whether they're hybrids, electrics or diesels.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 6, 2019 8:46:39 GMT
I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage. Not going to lie but I was genuinely surprise that the 29 got retained with it's existing HVs, I would have bet that the route would have got Electrics. I know the HVs are compliant but you would think TfL would want to have the newest and best double deckers in Central London. The HVs are going to look out of place in a few years time in my opinion as all other buses in central London will be fairly new. EDIT. I should be clear when I say Newest and best I'm not suggesting the 29 HVs aren't good. Those green blinds certainly look out of place, especially when all the routes running alongside the 29 in Central London have white blinds.
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Post by snoggle on Oct 6, 2019 12:14:38 GMT
Goodness me what a lot of excitement about a few electric buses. Clearly it plays well politically with the Mayor and the timing is not long before the election. Not sure about this "lobby" given the routes covered stretch across North London plus Tory Chingford. Everyone will get electric buses eventually - no one said the roll out was going to be wholly logical. There will always be apparent inconsistencies on a large network like TfL's.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Oct 6, 2019 12:17:52 GMT
I completely agree. Yes London has bad air quality as a whole, but pollution in Central London is significantly worse than in the suburbs. There are so many Go Ahead routes more worthy of electrics; 1, 12, 14, 22, 35, 36, 40, 63, 87, 88, 176, 188, 453 just to name a few. I think whilst the suburbs should see electric buses on vital trunk routes which run through many congested, and polluted areas, putting electrics on routes like the 212 and 357 is just nonsensical to me. What pressure from lobbies in Walthamstow have TfL succumbed to, to make such a decision. The electrics should be swapped with hybrids from another Go Ahead route which is actually worthy of electrics, although the issue is next time said route comes up for tender it gives Go-Ahead a significant advantage. Not going to lie but I was genuinely surprise that the 29 got retained with it's existing HVs, I would have bet that the route would have got Electrics. I know the HVs are compliant but you would think TfL would want to have the newest and best double deckers in Central London. The HVs are going to look out of place in a few years time in my opinion as all other buses in central London will be fairly new. EDIT. I should be clear when I say Newest and best I'm not suggesting the 29 HVs aren't good. Well there was a plan for other buses on the 29, but seems that TfL chose not to accept it. The 29 should have been a route converted to LT imo. Also it would have been nice to see a hybrid triaxle feature within London or even electric.
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