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Post by SILENCED on Jan 23, 2020 20:57:01 GMT
Lots of electric double decks due this year and next. Makes me wonder what the operators will go for. Obviously we know that Go-Ahead, Metroline, RATP have gone for the BYD/ ADL Enviro400 City EV model. It is far by the most successful model of electric double deck bus by number of orders here in London and nationwide. I think the Volvo/MCV model could be a game changer in putting some competition to ADL. Apparently the model is due to go into production in 2021, so maybe will see the unveiling of the model this year at the Bus Expo. It will be interesting to see what Arriva, Stagecoach and Tower Transit order for their routes due to go electric. For Tower Transit, I think they will go for Optare Metrodecker EV. Stagecoach will probably order BYD/ADL Enviro400 City EV as they have ordered some for their other operations around the UK. Arriva to me will be the most interesting on what they order for route 319. Personally hoping the order the BYD/ADL Enviro400 City EV but I have a feeling they will order the Optare Metrodecker EV considering they have some single deck electric Optare Metrocity EVs in their Arriva London fleet. On a side note, Abellio will have to get into this electric double deck bus action soon when they get the chance in the tenders arise. That will be an interesting development. For example; I can see route 344 going electric on its next contract. For the 319, I could see Arriva going for the BYD-E400EVs but I would love for them to go for the Volvo/MCV bus but dependent on when during 2021 it will go into production By the way, will this Volvo/MCV electric bus be the EvoSeti model? If only Volvo could do a version of the 9800 for the UK bus market ... Maybe tweaked a bit!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 20:18:22 GMT
As some double deck routes have now been awarded with new electrics, I'm not convinced that hybrids will be phased out immediately but I am convinced that they are gradually going to be phased out from now and throughout the next couple of years. I think its been mentioned that by 2025 all new double deck buses entering the TFL fleet will be zero emission (electric and hydrogen) by I may have got the date wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 20:25:19 GMT
Had a short ride on. BDE the other day. I wasn’t greatly impressed I have to say. They feel so heavy.
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Post by LK65EBO on Jan 29, 2020 20:32:23 GMT
What has happened to the Optare MetroDecker demonstrater vehicles OM1 and MD1?
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Post by snowman on Jan 29, 2020 20:55:17 GMT
As some double deck routes have now been awarded with new electrics, I'm not convinced that hybrids will be phased out immediately but I am convinced that they are gradually going to be phased out from now and throughout the next couple of years. I think its been mentioned that by 2025 all new double deck buses entering the TFL fleet will be zero emission (electric and hydrogen) by I may have got the date wrong. The date in mid 2030s is not new buses entering the fleet, but the last of the non zero emission leaving the fleet. This date seems to vary by couple of years as it is only a provisional target date currently. From Autumn 2020 (about 9 months time, but no exact date) new single decks have to be zero emission Not yet a date for double decks as technology was couple of years later starting (and can’t install chargers fast enough) At the moment an Operator can choose smart hybrid double deck, or full hybrid, or zero emission. Personally I think very few more full hybrids will enter service (and likely to be only where a smart hybrid would be short term non standard type in a fleet), and Operators will move to full electric, where can probably get about 15 years use out of them, but might be restricted to about 12-13 years for hybrid if end date is earlier.
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Post by southlondonbus on Jan 29, 2020 21:12:51 GMT
I do still think there are logistical issues with large batteries being charged in time, the batteries still being strong after a few years and power supply issues from power stations with demand to keep growing.
Of course the hydrogen remains untested on a DD but once the 7 gains them I wonder if come later in the year/early next year will be see other routes awarded.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 21:41:34 GMT
I do still think there are logistical issues with large batteries being charged in time, the batteries still being strong after a few years and power supply issues from power stations with demand to keep growing. Of course the hydrogen remains untested on a DD but once the 7 gains them I wonder if come later in the year/early next year will be see other routes awarded. Yeah you're probably right, that could be the main reason why operators are going for electric rather than hydrogen as the Hydrogens haven't been tested on any other operator (apart from Metroline and Tower Transit). Hydrogens will eventually be ordered in the future but just may take time. When are the 7s Hydrogen Streetdecks due to arrive again?
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Post by richard on Jan 29, 2020 22:09:14 GMT
Had a short ride on. BDE the other day. I wasn’t greatly impressed I have to say. They feel so heavy. I find the HAs much better they are very quick the BDEs feel slow and a bit sluggish I find
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2020 22:39:02 GMT
Lots of electric double decks due this year and next. Makes me wonder what the operators will go for. Obviously we know that Go-Ahead, Metroline, RATP have gone for the BYD/ ADL Enviro400 City EV model. It is far by the most successful model of electric double deck bus by number of orders here in London and nationwide. I think the Volvo/MCV model could be a game changer in putting some competition to ADL. Apparently the model is due to go into production in 2021, so maybe will see the unveiling of the model this year at the Bus Expo. It will be interesting to see what Arriva, Stagecoach and Tower Transit order for their routes due to go electric. For Tower Transit, I think they will go for Optare Metrodecker EV. Stagecoach will probably order BYD/ADL Enviro400 City EV as they have ordered some for their other operations around the UK. Arriva to me will be the most interesting on what they order for route 319. Personally hoping the order the BYD/ADL Enviro400 City EV but I have a feeling they will order the Optare Metrodecker EV considering they have some single deck electric Optare Metrocity EVs in their Arriva London fleet. On a side note, Abellio will have to get into this electric double deck bus action soon when they get the chance in the tenders arise. That will be an interesting development. For example; I can see route 344 going electric on its next contract. For the 319, I could see Arriva going for the BYD-E400EVs but I would love for them to go for the Volvo/MCV bus but dependent on when during 2021 it will go into production By the way, will this Volvo/MCV electric bus be the EvoSeti model? Everything is pointing towards the MCV Evoseti body.
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Post by rmz19 on Jan 29, 2020 23:37:30 GMT
Had a short ride on. BDE the other day. I wasn’t greatly impressed I have to say. They feel so heavy. I find the HAs much better they are very quick the BDEs feel slow and a bit sluggish I find I beg to differ. The HAs are indeed quick, but I also find the BDEs very quick, just like the OMEs. Used the 43 at night between London Bridge and Bank a few nights ago, it got up to 30 in no time due to its rapid acceleration. Perhaps they are heavier than the OMEs, but they aren't sluggish at all.
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Post by richard on Jan 29, 2020 23:40:59 GMT
I find the HAs much better they are very quick the BDEs feel slow and a bit sluggish I find I beg to differ. The HAs are indeed quick, but I also find the BDEs very quick, just like the OMEs. Used the 43 at night between London Bridge and Bank a few nights ago, it got up to 30 in no time due to its rapid acceleration. Perhaps they are heavier than the OMEs, but they aren't sluggish at all. I haven't dose a BDE at night yet so let's see but when I did a HA on the 106 last year in the late evening that was super quick got to Finsbury Park in no time but do prefer the hybrid version to the electric.
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Post by Frenzie on Jan 30, 2020 13:37:51 GMT
Had a short ride on. BDE the other day. I wasn’t greatly impressed I have to say. They feel so heavy. I find the HAs much better they are very quick the BDEs feel slow and a bit sluggish I find I put it down to Metroline rather than the bus. They are quite quick but the timetable is so padded during the day that you’re very unlikely to get a quick journey on one.
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Post by george on Jan 30, 2020 13:40:25 GMT
I find the HAs much better they are very quick the BDEs feel slow and a bit sluggish I find I put it down to Metroline rather than the bus. They are quite quick but the timetable is so padded during the day that you’re very unlikely to get a quick journey on one. Been on 43 a few times recently and each time have had to wait at King William street for a bit, often seen 43 run very close together as well.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 30, 2020 14:22:41 GMT
I find the HAs much better they are very quick the BDEs feel slow and a bit sluggish I find I put it down to Metroline rather than the bus. They are quite quick but the timetable is so padded during the day that you’re very unlikely to get a quick journey on one. Indeed, haven't sampled a OME yet but rode on a BDE on the 84 at the Potters Bar Running Day for a short trip and it gets up to speed no problem. I will try one on the 43 at some point.
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Post by galwhv69 on Jan 30, 2020 17:12:03 GMT
I do still think there are logistical issues with large batteries being charged in time, the batteries still being strong after a few years and power supply issues from power stations with demand to keep growing. Of course the hydrogen remains untested on a DD but once the 7 gains them I wonder if come later in the year/early next year will be see other routes awarded. SN15 LRU is an ADL E400MMC Hydrogen test bus
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