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Post by wh541 on Apr 1, 2013 19:34:22 GMT
Hello all,
Was thinking today about the sudden influx of new buses and move of very new buses around fleets in London. + there will be 600 NBFL over the next few years which will release more buses.
This is the first major renewal of buses since around 2000 - 2001. Do you think this generation of buses will have to last as long as the current generation? I suspect they may actually have to last maybe 15- 17 years with the current TFL budget cuts.
Do you think tenders will end up running two contract terms with existing buses?
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Post by wh541 on Apr 1, 2013 19:47:47 GMT
Hello all, Was thinking today about the sudden influx of new buses and move of very new buses around fleets in London. + there will be 600 NBFL over the next few years which will release more buses. This is the first major renewal of buses since around 2000 - 2001. Do you think this generation of buses will have to last as long as the current generation? I suspect they may actually have to last maybe 15- 17 years with the current TFL budget cuts. Do you think tenders will end up running two contract terms with existing buses? I suspect the opposite - the lifetime of buses could end up becoming (for the next 10 years or so) a lot shorter. The introduction of 600 NB4L as well as the potential conversion of all Central London routes to hybrids could mean we end up seeing buses not particularly old (and ripe for another contract) leaving London. Good point never looked at it that way. ;D
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Post by londonbusboy on Apr 2, 2013 3:00:53 GMT
I wont be surprised if they stay in London for up to 20 years. Hybrid technology aint the cheapest, nor is the design of the NBFL. Although saying that if someone else gets in on the mayors job they may want to remove them
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:07:00 GMT
I wont be surprised if they stay in London for up to 20 years. Hybrid technology aint the cheapest, nor is the design of the NBFL. Although saying that if someone else gets in on the mayors job they may want to remove them removing them cost money like what Boris done to get rid of the bendies, in order to change things you need money to do things. But today, in order to keep the unempolyment down, they need to keep on keeping the jobs running for conductors..etc So the budget needs to be used wisely.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2013 12:16:47 GMT
I wont be surprised if they stay in London for up to 20 years. Hybrid technology aint the cheapest, nor is the design of the NBFL. Although saying that if someone else gets in on the mayors job they may want to remove them removing them cost money like what Boris done to get rid of the bendies, in order to change things you need money to do things. But today, in order to keep the unempolyment down, they need to keep on keeping the jobs running for conductors..etc So the budget needs to be used wisely. Why do people keep calling them conductors? They do not do a conductors role - all they do is make sure the rear platform is not nicked by some yob who is bored!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:29:07 GMT
Why do people keep calling them conductors? They do not do a conductors role - all they do is make sure the rear platform is not nicked by some yob who is bored! Its a traditonal name for a person who stands on the open platform. They need to come up with a new name If the yob works as one, he will be on his iphone all day...
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Post by Volvo on Apr 2, 2013 12:31:08 GMT
removing them cost money like what Boris done to get rid of the bendies, in order to change things you need money to do things. But today, in order to keep the unempolyment down, they need to keep on keeping the jobs running for conductors..etc So the budget needs to be used wisely. Yea removing the bendies and replacing them with dd versions of the same thing effectively i.e 3 door open boarding, cost money but you seem all in favour of borris masters though and I bet you would go crazy, if a new mayor was to come and remove them all again ;D.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 12:41:55 GMT
Yea removing the bendies and replacing them with dd versions of the same thing effectively i.e 3 door open boarding, cost money but you seem all in favour of borris masters though and I bet you would go crazy, if a new mayor was to come and remove them all again ;D. They had tried to get rid of the RM's when Labour took control of the GLC in the 70's. But not till 2005 when red Ken got rid of them in favour of Heritage routes. But the NBFL will get popular by the people of london wanting to keep them buses in service. I seen people tweeting about it daily on twitter about it. and yes 600 is too much... By the way i made this poll out of boredom... strawpoll.me/14563
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Post by vjaska on Apr 2, 2013 13:27:31 GMT
Why do people keep calling them conductors? They do not do a conductors role - all they do is make sure the rear platform is not nicked by some yob who is bored! Its a traditonal name for a person who stands on the open platform. They need to come up with a new name If the yob works as one, he will be on his iphone all day... A conductor does not always stand on a platform. When the 159 was short of RM's, a L or a M would be used with a conductor standing next to the driver. V3 also had a conductor as the rear was a blind spot to the driver. A conductor is principally someone who takes fares - this happens regardless of whether its an open platform bus, V3, or the example I gave above about the 159. The rear platform security guards on the LT's do not take fares.
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Post by rambo on Apr 2, 2013 16:52:20 GMT
New name for a conductor?
Human resources logistical engineer.
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Post by wh541 on Apr 2, 2013 17:07:50 GMT
Its a traditonal name for a person who stands on the open platform. They need to come up with a new name If the yob works as one, he will be on his iphone all day... A conductor does not always stand on a platform. When the 159 was short of RM's, a L or a M would be used with a conductor standing next to the driver. V3 also had a conductor as the rear was a blind spot to the driver. A conductor is principally someone who takes fares - this happens regardless of whether its an open platform bus, V3, or the example I gave above about the 159. The rear platform security guards on the LT's do not take fares. We also had conductors on Tridents on route 55 around 2001 - that was rather short lived ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 17:16:49 GMT
A conductor does not always stand on a platform. When the 159 was short of RM's, a L or a M would be used with a conductor standing next to the driver. V3 also had a conductor as the rear was a blind spot to the driver. A conductor is principally someone who takes fares - this happens regardless of whether its an open platform bus, V3, or the example I gave above about the 159. The rear platform security guards on the LT's do not take fares. Well they can start trialing it again. Or trial the open boarding on the normal double decker routes like 38, 15...etc But the rear platform staff monitors people touching in with their oyster cards onto the reader. New name for a conductor? Human resources logistical engineer. I agree Well Central London needs a regeneration of its image, they can simply roll out more electric buses (non NBFL) onto Central London routes. Plus when the Super dooper Low Emission zone kicks in, We might end up seeing new cars, trucks and cabs driving around.
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Post by IanF on Apr 2, 2013 17:33:21 GMT
The "conductors" are being called Customer Assistants as they don't check fares they just are there for health and safety and to help people who are confused about there onward journeys.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 18:15:09 GMT
The "conductors" are being called Customer Assistants as they don't check fares they just are there for health and safety and to help people who are confused about there onward journeys. yes, but they also watch people tapping in. I am impatient to wait for the NB4L's to convert on 24.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Apr 2, 2013 18:17:22 GMT
The "conductors" are being called Customer Assistants as they don't check fares they just are there for health and safety and to help people who are confused about there onward journeys. It sounds farcical to me, it's like having someone stand by a crack in the pavement invade done trips over! Nuts!
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