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Post by snoggle on Apr 2, 2013 18:36:56 GMT
A conductor does not always stand on a platform. When the 159 was short of RM's, a L or a M would be used with a conductor standing next to the driver. V3 also had a conductor as the rear was a blind spot to the driver. A conductor is principally someone who takes fares - this happens regardless of whether its an open platform bus, V3, or the example I gave above about the 159. The rear platform security guards on the LT's do not take fares. We also had conductors on Tridents on route 55 around 2001 - that was rather short lived ;D Yes it did not last long because it was a dismal failure. The buses were not speeded up, the revenue did not go up and people had to wait longer for buses because each bus had a reduced standing capacity to allow the conductor to move about the bus. Given the 55 can be chronically overloaded in the peaks the reduced capacity aspect was really stupid. If we think about it the "conductor" on the NB4L cannot move around because if they did the standing capacity would have to be reduced thus making the NB4L even less efficient as it would never meet the 87 person capacity standard. It remains to be seen if it will. London Assembly members have submitted questions to the Mayor on the weight issue but the response said that TfL were "still working" on getting the weight down. Given production buses are now built I have to wonder why anyone is "still working" on this aspect of the design.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2013 19:04:41 GMT
Routes 36 36B 53 63 and even the 122 (for a very short while) ran with conductors using new Scania Metropolitans in the late 1970's before being converted back to Routemasters. As Vajaska said like with the 159's the conductor stood beside the driver.
I would rather see the Customer Service Assistant on the NBFL checking that people are swiping their oyster cards correctly to try and avoid fare evasion on the NBFL like we had with the bendies.
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Post by mre81 on Apr 2, 2013 19:05:53 GMT
Yea removing the bendies and replacing them with dd versions of the same thing effectively i.e 3 door open boarding, cost money but you seem all in favour of borris masters though and I bet you would go crazy, if a new mayor was to come and remove them all again ;D. They had tried to get rid of the RM's when Labour took control of the GLC in the 70's. But not till 2005 when red Ken got rid of them in favour of Heritage routes. Actually the first withdrawals of RMs occured in 1982. Any before (and there were literally only a handful) were due to other issues such as accident damage/arson etc. They were withdrawn as a direct result of service cuts that followed the 'Fares Fair' fiasco, whereby Tory-controlled Bromley Council took Ken Livingstone (then-mayor) and the GLC to court over some complicated wrangling over the lowering of fares. Much as I dislike Ken, you can't blame him for that!
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Post by westhamgeezer on Apr 9, 2013 11:35:56 GMT
Yes it did not last long because it was a dismal failure. The buses were not speeded up, the revenue did not go up and people had to wait longer for buses because each bus had a reduced standing capacity to allow the conductor to move about the bus. Given the 55 can be chronically overloaded in the peaks the reduced capacity aspect was really stupid. If we think about it the "conductor" on the NB4L cannot move around because if they did the standing capacity would have to be reduced thus making the NB4L even less efficient as it would never meet the 87 person capacity standard. It remains to be seen if it will. London Assembly members have submitted questions to the Mayor on the weight issue but the response said that TfL were "still working" on getting the weight down. Given production buses are now built I have to wonder why anyone is "still working" on this aspect of the design. It does rather sound like they're trying to distract people from the fact they've run out of tricks up their sleeve for increasing capacity on the NB4L. Given that a Scania Omnidekka can take 91 people it is really pretty d*mn poor they can only manage the high 70s. Maybe...However Id rather have to let buses go pass than ride on a flipping OmniDekka!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 11:41:20 GMT
We also had conductors on Tridents on route 55 around 2001 - that was rather short lived ;D Yes it did not last long because it was a dismal failure. The buses were not speeded up, the revenue did not go up and people had to wait longer for buses because each bus had a reduced standing capacity to allow the conductor to move about the bus. Given the 55 can be chronically overloaded in the peaks the reduced capacity aspect was really stupid. If we think about it the "conductor" on the NB4L cannot move around because if they did the standing capacity would have to be reduced thus making the NB4L even less efficient as it would never meet the 87 person capacity standard. It remains to be seen if it will. London Assembly members have submitted questions to the Mayor on the weight issue but the response said that TfL were "still working" on getting the weight down. Given production buses are now built I have to wonder why anyone is "still working" on this aspect of the design. Where did you hear that about the 55? Its totally different to what I heard that revenue increased and dwell times were reduced but the 'experiment' was only ever a cosmetic excercise that was doomed to failure from the outset.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 11:43:11 GMT
Yea removing the bendies and replacing them with dd versions of the same thing effectively i.e 3 door open boarding, cost money but you seem all in favour of borris masters though and I bet you would go crazy, if a new mayor was to come and remove them all again ;D. They had tried to get rid of the RM's when Labour took control of the GLC in the 70's. But not till 2005 when red Ken got rid of them in favour of Heritage routes. But the NBFL will get popular by the people of london wanting to keep them buses in service. I seen people tweeting about it daily on twitter about it. and yes 600 is too much... By the way i made this poll out of boredom... strawpoll.me/14563Why is 600 too much? How many do you suggest should have been ordered? I thought you were in favour of the NB4L?
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Post by snoggle on Apr 9, 2013 11:52:25 GMT
Yes it did not last long because it was a dismal failure. The buses were not speeded up, the revenue did not go up and people had to wait longer for buses because each bus had a reduced standing capacity to allow the conductor to move about the bus. Given the 55 can be chronically overloaded in the peaks the reduced capacity aspect was really stupid. If we think about it the "conductor" on the NB4L cannot move around because if they did the standing capacity would have to be reduced thus making the NB4L even less efficient as it would never meet the 87 person capacity standard. It remains to be seen if it will. London Assembly members have submitted questions to the Mayor on the weight issue but the response said that TfL were "still working" on getting the weight down. Given production buses are now built I have to wonder why anyone is "still working" on this aspect of the design. Where did you hear that about the 55? Its totally different to what I heard that revenue increased and dwell times were reduced but the 'experiment' was only ever a cosmetic excercise that was doomed to failure from the outset. Oh just from the MD of Stagecoach East London. I think he might well have had a clue about what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 14:08:28 GMT
Barry Arnold said revenue had increased, oh and I expect a few more disabled people may have had the confidence to use buses if there was a conductor to assist them
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Post by wh541 on Apr 9, 2013 14:41:21 GMT
They had tried to get rid of the RM's when Labour took control of the GLC in the 70's. But not till 2005 when red Ken got rid of them in favour of Heritage routes. But the NBFL will get popular by the people of london wanting to keep them buses in service. I seen people tweeting about it daily on twitter about it. and yes 600 is too much... By the way i made this poll out of boredom... strawpoll.me/14563 Why is 600 too much? How many do you suggest should have been ordered? I thought you were in favour of the NB4L? I think he changes his mind daily about NB4L ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2013 22:31:39 GMT
Why is 600 too much? How many do you suggest should have been ordered? I thought you were in favour of the NB4L? Yes i am, I am worried that the TFL budget will be tight and only be able to fund the NBfL's 100 is enough I think he changes his mind daily about NB4L ;D yes i do one day i like E400's then next day Tridents and B7TL's...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 15:36:22 GMT
Why is 600 too much? How many do you suggest should have been ordered? I thought you were in favour of the NB4L? Yes i am, I am worried that the TFL budget will be tight and only be able to fund the NBfL's 100 is enough I think he changes his mind daily about NB4L ;D yes i do one day i like E400's then next day Tridents and B7TL's... So we're best off not taking anything you say too seriously then? Would that be fair to say?
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Post by southeastlondonbus on Apr 10, 2013 16:04:57 GMT
Amen to that get more common sense out of my dog ;D Yes i am, I am worried that the TFL budget will be tight and only be able to fund the NBfL's 100 is enough yes i do one day i like E400's then next day Tridents and B7TL's... So we're best off not taking anything you say too seriously then? Would that be fair to say?
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 10, 2013 16:10:11 GMT
Amen to that get more common sense out of my dog ;D So we're best off not taking anything you say too seriously then? Would that be fair to say? Come on now guys, ease up on FreeBBC, he's only 12 ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2013 16:15:45 GMT
So we're best off not taking anything you say too seriously then? Would that be fair to say? Well if you look at my signature I really can't wait to see the NBfL's on the route 24, but few routes is enough through
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