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Post by wh541 on Apr 5, 2013 7:36:01 GMT
Hello,
Does TFL do revenue checks on rail replacement buses?
I wonder how many passengers using PAYG Oysters go to the station to touch in and out when using buses, especially when the bus stops are located away from stations (Especially DLR)
Have you ever had your ticket checked?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 9:23:43 GMT
Hello, Does TFL do revenue checks on rail replacement buses? I wonder how many passengers using PAYG Oysters go to the station to touch in and out when using buses, especially when the bus stops are located away from stations (Especially DLR) Have you ever had your ticket checked? No I've never seen a ticket check on a railway replacement bus, if it were a national rail TOC replacement it would be nothing to do with TfL anyway. Oyster readers are out of use although some people try and touch in. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 9:44:29 GMT
Hello, Does TFL do revenue checks on rail replacement buses? I wonder how many passengers using PAYG Oysters go to the station to touch in and out when using buses, especially when the bus stops are located away from stations (Especially DLR) Have you ever had your ticket checked? I've never personally had my ticket checked, though the fact you pay a full price train ticket to sit on a bus does seem a little unfair! |
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Post by 52000 on Apr 5, 2013 10:14:55 GMT
Hello, Does TFL do revenue checks on rail replacement buses? I wonder how many passengers using PAYG Oysters go to the station to touch in and out when using buses, especially when the bus stops are located away from stations (Especially DLR) Have you ever had your ticket checked? I've never personally had my ticket checked, though the fact you pay a full price train ticket to sit on a bus does seem a little unfair! Nope, I've never had a ticket/oyster checked on the rail buses. They normally tape out the oyster reader (if it's a TfL Bus) so you walk on to the bus. |
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Post by vjaska on Apr 5, 2013 13:44:09 GMT
Like others, I've never had mine checked on a TfL railway replacement bus service.
Outside of London, I had to use one just outside Cambridge but they wern't interested in my ticket so I suspect anyone from the local area would of got a free ride that day ;D
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2013 16:12:42 GMT
so emphatically its a free ride on rail replacements.
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Post by eggmiester on Apr 5, 2013 16:32:48 GMT
I think we've stumbled upon this before in another thread somewhere.
AFAIK tfl do not revenue check any London Underground Rail Replacements as they are provided 'free of charge', it says so on the publicity at stations and on the buses if you look carefully. To be honest, having driven LUL replacement services myself, would you really want to check a bus full of district line passngers in Whitechapel, on a busy Saturday afternoon....... really...
As far as I am aware DLR is free as well, but I may be wrong. They appear to conform to the same conditions as LUL though.
As for London Overground, i'm not sure either, as they conform to a different set of rules within the national conditions of carriage (COC) set out by the Government, but then they can apply their own rules to these standard COC's, but I am not too sure what the situation is.
Other National Rail TOC's like Southeastern and Southern require passengers to have a valid ticket for their entire journey on Rail Replacement buses. Whether everyone on board a RRP bus has one is another question, but I have witnessed Southeastern RPI's check RRP buses before and the fines etc are just the same as being on a train without a ticket. As for Oyster PAYG etc, I believe they must touch in at their boarding station still, even if the bus pick up is a 5 min walk away (which in some cases it can be).
Drivers of RRP buses are not required to check tickets, its the responsibility of the rail TOC's staff to ensure passengers have valid travel documents etc.
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Post by daveb0789 on Apr 5, 2013 18:37:05 GMT
I've fallen foul of revenue inspectors as a ex london bus driver so I'm not enamoured with them.
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Post by Late Again on Apr 5, 2013 18:56:56 GMT
However when the east london line was being converted to overground. The replacement buses where all set up to accept Oyster cards and charge train fares on them.
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Post by wh541 on Apr 5, 2013 19:28:45 GMT
However when the east london line was being converted to overground. The replacement buses where all set up to accept Oyster cards and charge train fares on them. I agree as somebody else said it is a bit unfair to charge train fairs on rail replacements ;D If charging why not charge a bus single fare ;D |
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Post by Trident on Apr 5, 2013 21:10:48 GMT
I agree as somebody else said it is a bit unfair to charge train fairs on rail replacements ;D If charging why not charge a bus single fare ;D I agree, paying the price of a train to get none of the advantages of the train is very odd. It's better to win the respect back - No train service, get people there as quick as possible without extra charge  |
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Post by Late Again on Apr 6, 2013 5:20:59 GMT
It's better to win the respect back - No train service, get people there as quick as possible without extra charge I reckon they should be fair and charge a half fare. Then season ticket holders can be refunded half the value of their ticket divided by the period it covers, perhaps. This sort of happened on the north london line replacement buses in the mid 90's. between Stratford and north woolwich. With there painted ex 108 lynxes from ash grove. When the line was closed for 18 months. You had to buy your ticket on the bus. The ticket had the NLL logo on it. Then you could exchange the bus ticket at the low level ticket office at Stratford. Who would deduct the cost of your train fare. |
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Post by wh541 on Apr 6, 2013 9:00:56 GMT
I reckon they should be fair and charge a half fare. Then season ticket holders can be refunded half the value of their ticket divided by the period it covers, perhaps. This sort of happened on the north london line replacement buses in the mid 90's. between Stratford and north woolwich. With there painted ex 108 lynxes from ash grove. When the line was closed for 18 months. You had to buy your ticket on the bus. The ticket had the NLL logo on it. Then you could exchange the bus ticket at the low level ticket office at Stratford. Who would deduct the cost of your train fare. Wow I remember this service very well - they had double decker service via Plaistow Station too www.flickr.com/photos/46341292@N05/4315377783/ |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2013 10:20:38 GMT
In my experience passengers are irratated enough already with rail replacement buses without winding them up even more with ticket checks, I think its just a common sense approach by the TOC's.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 6, 2013 11:50:09 GMT
It's better to win the respect back - No train service, get people there as quick as possible without extra charge I reckon they should be fair and charge a half fare. Then season ticket holders can be refunded half the value of their ticket divided by the period it covers, perhaps. [/quote] I don't think that's fare enough (excuse the pun ;D). Ones like South West Trains & others should be free to board like TfL ones are. Are Southern's railway replacements free as I've done Balham to West Croydon & Haywards Heath to Brighton and no one asked for tickets at all. |
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