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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2013 22:54:04 GMT
Tell the Job Centre it is for training/job interview you get a fully paid up ticket via TfL/or NR
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Post by snoggle on Oct 27, 2013 23:46:13 GMT
Tell the Job Centre it is for training/job interview you get a fully paid up ticket via TfL/or NR Is that a TfL concession, funded from TfL fares / grant, or is it a government initiative funded by the Department of Work and Pensions? I have had a quick search and there is nothing obvious on the Government's website. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2013 6:52:51 GMT
Must be a DWP initiative as it is not just for the TfL area ... but whether it is free or discounted ... the TfL scheme still reduces TfL income
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Post by snoggle on Oct 28, 2013 10:54:18 GMT
The Press Release for the report has now been released by the London Assembly. I have not yet read the report (link via the above) but the summarised recommendations look interesting. There is also a top 10 list of the busiest routes in London - perhaps unsurprisingly the 25 is busiest with 64,000 pass jnys a day. |
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Post by LX09FBJ on Oct 28, 2013 13:00:25 GMT
The Press Release for the report has now been released by the London Assembly. I have not yet read the report (link via the above) but the summarised recommendations look interesting. There is also a top 10 list of the busiest routes in London - perhaps unsurprisingly the 25 is busiest with 64,000 pass jnys a day. And also unsurprisingly all of the top ten busiest routes run in East London! Route 20 is sixth busiest?!? |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 28, 2013 13:06:00 GMT
The Press Release for the report has now been released by the London Assembly. I have not yet read the report (link via the above) but the summarised recommendations look interesting. There is also a top 10 list of the busiest routes in London - perhaps unsurprisingly the 25 is busiest with 64,000 pass jnys a day. And also unsurprisingly all of the top ten busiest routes run in East London! Route 20 is sixth busiest?!? Should be 207 as per the report content. I have emailed the press team to advise them of the error. |
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Post by vjaska on Oct 28, 2013 14:23:15 GMT
And also unsurprisingly all of the top ten busiest routes run in East London! Route 20 is sixth busiest?!? Less than half the routes listed are East London (25, 38, 5, 86). The 29, 149, 73, 243 are North London, 18 is NW London and 207 is West London. Also no surprise that 7 of those 10 routes (not the 5, 86 or 243) are all ex-bendy routes. Pretty much expected them all except the 5 - wonder what routes are the busiest in South London - I'm expecting the 109 & 343 to be up there. |
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Post by Steve80 on Oct 28, 2013 18:07:07 GMT
Alert - The London Assembly report on Bus Services is apparently due out tomorrow. Looks like it is going to be highly critical of the lack of forward planning and money to allow for expansion. This is based on a short film and discussion in the Sunday Politics programme currently on BBC1. Lots of footage about the Tennison Way stops at Waterloo and also Crouch End plus mentions about the 343 (quelle surprise!) and Roehampton being served by the 22. It will be on I-Player later and is repeated on BBC Parliament late Sunday evening. Looks like the Transport Committee is demanding a report from TfL next year about how they are going to plan to expand the bus network to cater for growing demand. Very interestingly it seems that there is cross party agreement on the report which makes it much harder for the Mayor and TfL to ignore. Even dear old Richard Tracey, a Conservative Assembly Member, seems to be on side which is interesting. The Sunday politics show on bbc iplayer... www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b03dt12n/Sunday_Politics_London_27_10_2013/The short clip starts around 42.55 minutes. I had a quick look. I was surprised about the queues for buses in waterloo which are going right inside the underground station  I had no idea that there were problems in crouch end or the concerns in Roehampton. I have to agree with Richard Tracey in that the planning systems in tfl are wrong - when passengers are getting left behind at stops, it takes an awful long time before tfl does something. Then we got the sign saying the passengers should not stand behind the yellow line inside the bus. If all of us drivers were to enforce this rule (which we should) then it wouldn't be just crouch end or north peckham that would see many passengers stranded at the stops. |
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Post by snoggle on Oct 28, 2013 20:08:49 GMT
I've now read the report and am left feeling a bit disappointed. Some of the recommendations I agree with such as setting out a strategy for bus service development, better hospital links, reducing traffic congestion and also for improving the consultation process. However the need for political compromise across the various parties spoils the overall thrust of the report and means it is not as radical as I think it needs to be. You can see where the Green Party wanted a moan about more environmentally friendly buses, the Lib Dems wanted yet another mention about early bird and 1 hour bus tickets, the Tories wouldn't agree to a clear demand for more funding and Labour wanted to whinge about fare rises and the cost of the NB4L.
I also suspect that the Mayor and TfL will not agree to some of the recommendations - they don't want and can't afford to run more orbital and express buses so the plan demanded by the Committee is very, very unlikely to have any detail in it. TfL have already kicked the ticketing proposals into the long grass several times so they'll do that again because the Mayor will not find the money to fund the inevitable loss of revenue. The Mayor has even said he has simply refused to consider these ticketing ideas which I assume has enraged Caroline Pidgeon which is why they're here again.
I remain very sceptical about the demands for area bus reviews based on boroughs. Councils view this as a way of gaining control over bus services and I think that would create a mess. Part of the strength of the network is the mix of long radial and sometimes orbital routes plus a blend of more locally focused routes. Even these smaller routes can straddle borough boundaries and what do you do when there are opposing demands? I think good input from councils is important provided we can get factual information and effective support rather than peddling of local "hobby horses". I think TfL will be forced to do some local reviews - Wandsworth, Merton and Hammersmith and Fulham / Lewisham, Southwark and Greenwich would be my guesses for the first two groups. These will pander to certain political and developmental preferences for Boris and key members of the Transport Committee. TfL will wish to be seen to be "even handed".
I also think TfL will really struggle to come up with a reliable and effective measure of "bus busyness". Setting targets for it will also be hard given the lack of any reliable data and therefore any understanding as to what current performance is. On this basis I expect TfL will agree to establishing a measure but will not accept any targets until the data is considered to be statistically reliable. By some cynical quirk I expect this will take until May 2016! This is all about creating a stick which the Transport Committee can bash TfL and the Mayor with. TfL isn't daft and will see this for what it is but would never say so!
So only 6/10 for the report from the Snoggle jury!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 1:54:24 GMT
This report has been a long time in coming, or rather it's certainly felt like it. However, it doesn't seem to actually achieve much. Its stated the problems, as have many others for a long time before now. And, as you say snoggle, its conveniently found time to include various political groups transport nuggets of wisdom in its 'recommendations'.
Identifying the problem though is a far cry from solving it. It is outrageous that there is no high level plan for bus network development, nor apparently any will to do one. That the Mayor is uninterested is no suprise - he has neither the interest nor the aptitude to challenge TfL and make them work 'smarter'.
Reducing the bus 'subsidy' is a bad action too. When the buses go out on strike the Tories are the first to complain about how much the cities' economy suffers. Well, if the provision of the network brings in say ~£30 mil a day or whatever, then a true subsidy would be anything provided to prop up services *above* that figure per unit time. £500 million seems like a snip for a years worth if a year of bus-less operation would result in multi-billions lost.
I wonder whether introducing the need to 'touch out' of buses at the end of ones journey would help in data gathering and service planning?
Until someone comes up with a plan though of fitting a quart into a pint pot, it'll all be regurgitated hot air. Something will eventually have to change.
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Post by Steve80 on Oct 29, 2013 3:30:21 GMT
Less than half the routes listed are East London (25, 38, 5, 86). The 29, 149, 73, 243 are North London, 18 is NW London and 207 is West London. Also no surprise that 7 of those 10 routes (not the 5, 86 or 243) are all ex-bendy routes. Pretty much expected them all except the 5 - wonder what routes are the busiest in South London - I'm expecting the 109 & 343 to be up there. There a link of the report in this site here... www.london.gov.uk/mayor-assembly/london-assembly/publications/bus-services-in-londonIt also mentions 10 of the most crowded routes in accordance to the committee survey of bus passengers which are the 185, 208, 96, 38, 176, 172, 484, 336, 162 and 358 There also a case study of the 343 and the problems in Roehampton, a selection of passengers complaints regarding some routes including the 133 and 251. And im sure its been mentioned before but they want 1,700 hybrid vehicles (which includes 600 nbfl) by 2016. Therws currently 352 double deck hybrids and 28 single deck hybrids. |
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Post by jay38a on Oct 29, 2013 6:16:06 GMT
Pretty much expected them all except the 5 - wonder what routes are the busiest in South London - I'm expecting the 109 & 343 to be up there. There a link of the report in this site here... www.london.gov.uk/mayor-assembly/london-assembly/publications/bus-services-in-londonIt also mentions 10 of the most crowded routes in accordance to the committee survey of bus passengers which are the 185, 208, 96, 38, 176, 172, 484, 336, 162 and 358 There also a case study of the 343 and the problems in Roehampton, a selection of passengers complaints regarding some routes including the 133 and 251. And im sure its been mentioned before but they want 1,700 hybrid vehicles (which includes 600 nbfl) by 2016. Therws currently 352 double deck hybrids and 28 single deck hybrids. Still shows there is still a divide between frequencies in South London compared to North London. At last contract renewal TfL said the 162 had adequate capacity which isn't true at points, they can leave Bromley full at all points of the day and the same with the 336. The 358 will be an ongoing problem which unfortunately will only be fixed by another frequency increase as Shortlands bridge restricts it's use of DDs. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2013 7:11:55 GMT
Hang on ... is the 38 so over bused it was reported on here as going around with fresh air ... and has subsequently had 2 frequency cuts?
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Post by DT 11 on Oct 29, 2013 7:16:35 GMT
Pretty much expected them all except the 5 - wonder what routes are the busiest in South London - I'm expecting the 109 & 343 to be up there. There a link of the report in this site here... www.london.gov.uk/mayor-assembly/london-assembly/publications/bus-services-in-londonIt also mentions 10 of the most crowded routes in accordance to the committee survey of bus passengers which are the 185, 208, 96, 38, 176, 172, 484, 336, 162 and 358 There also a case study of the 343 and the problems in Roehampton, a selection of passengers complaints regarding some routes including the 133 and 251. And im sure its been mentioned before but they want 1,700 hybrid vehicles (which includes 600 nbfl) by 2016. Therws currently 352 double deck hybrids and 28 single deck hybrids. The 208 does not surprise me. It gets hardly any support from the 320 because the timetables for both routes are totally appalling! Also most of them are South London, which isn't surprising. A lot of people rely on buses because there are not any frequent TFL trains services inner South London. |
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Post by M1104 on Oct 29, 2013 10:53:10 GMT
There a link of the report in this site here... www.london.gov.uk/mayor-assembly/london-assembly/publications/bus-services-in-londonIt also mentions 10 of the most crowded routes in accordance to the committee survey of bus passengers which are the 185, 208, 96, 38, 176, 172, 484, 336, 162 and 358 There also a case study of the 343 and the problems in Roehampton, a selection of passengers complaints regarding some routes including the 133 and 251. And im sure its been mentioned before but they want 1,700 hybrid vehicles (which includes 600 nbfl) by 2016. Therws currently 352 double deck hybrids and 28 single deck hybrids. The 172? I'm surprised by that one. I've used it on all days of the week peak, and off-peak. I'd say it was busy but not crowded - surely the crowding on the 171 is worse. Surprised the 35's not mentioned ahead of the 172. Makes one wonder who and how these figures were accumulated. |
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I had no idea that there were problems in crouch end or the concerns in Roehampton. I have to agree with Richard Tracey in that the planning systems in tfl are wrong - when passengers are getting left behind at stops, it takes an awful long time before tfl does something. Then we got the sign saying the passengers should not stand behind the yellow line inside the bus. If all of us drivers were to enforce this rule (which we should) then it wouldn't be just crouch end or north peckham that would see many passengers stranded at the stops. 
