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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on Apr 27, 2019 2:59:43 GMT
I like the 1972 stock 😂 *tiptoes away * Me too, plus the 73s as well *runs away on kickdown* I like Piccadilly Circus for having the Bakerloo & Piccadilly Lines interchange there.
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Post by COBO on Apr 28, 2019 0:53:04 GMT
How long do you think that LTs could remain in service and will they eventually be replaced? I ask because eventually they will get old.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 28, 2019 9:52:24 GMT
How long do you think that LTs could remain in service and will they eventually be replaced? I ask because eventually they will get old. I would imagine given the expense of purchasing LTs TFL will be forced to hang on to them for at least the next 10 years. Perhaps if Sadiq Khan really is serious about tackling air quality he'll either withdraw LTs (unlikely because they are so expensive) or TFL could look at installing batteries in LTs but I imagine that would be too expensive
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Post by dennistas on Apr 28, 2019 9:56:52 GMT
I could certainly see one of Arriva's route converting immediately after the 48 is axed.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 28, 2019 10:04:34 GMT
I could certainly see one of Arriva's route converting immediately after the 48 is axed. My money would be on the 259 because it has a similar PVR to the 48 (48's PVR=19 259's PVR=22) plus I believe AE have a few extra LTs knocking around from PVR reductions to the 48, if not then LTs released from the 59 cut can make their way up to AR. The 34 has a PVR of 22 so directly inherit all the 259's HVs and I would imagine the 102 will get HVs released from the 67's cut. I can see a BN route converting to part LT (provided none will be needed elswhere) BN will have plenty of spare LTs when the 59 is cut, don't forget the LTs from the 137 cut still haven't be repurposed.
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Post by dennistas on Apr 28, 2019 10:06:19 GMT
I could certainly see one of Arriva's route converting immediately after the 48 is axed. My money would be on the 259 because it has a similar PVR to the 48 (48's PVR=19 259's PVR=22) plus I believe AE have a few extra LTs knocking around from PVR reductions to the 48, if not then LTs released from the 59 cut can make their way up to AR. The 34 has a PVR of 22 so directly inherit all the 259's HVs and I would imagine the 102 will get HVs released from the 67's cut. I can see a BN route converting to part LT (provided none will be needed elswhere) BN will have plenty of spare LTs when the 59 is cut, don't forget the LTs from the 137 cut still haven't be repurposed. I could see the 106 converting, but also the 55 will need about 5-6 LTs.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 28, 2019 10:08:45 GMT
My money would be on the 259 because it has a similar PVR to the 48 (48's PVR=19 259's PVR=22) plus I believe AE have a few extra LTs knocking around from PVR reductions to the 48, if not then LTs released from the 59 cut can make their way up to AR. The 34 has a PVR of 22 so directly inherit all the 259's HVs and I would imagine the 102 will get HVs released from the 67's cut. I can see a BN route converting to part LT (provided none will be needed elswhere) BN will have plenty of spare LTs when the 59 is cut, don't forget the LTs from the 137 cut still haven't be repurposed. I could see the 106 converting, but also the 55 will need about 5-6 LTs. Ah yes, I forgot. In that case forget a BN route converting to part LT. All spare Arriva LTs to the 259 then. If the 259 does convert to LT I suspect Arriva would move it to AR for a common pool of LTs with the 149 with something else moving the other way to EC
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Post by dennistas on Apr 28, 2019 10:10:28 GMT
I could see the 106 converting, but also the 55 will need about 5-6 LTs. Ah yes, I forgot. In that case forget a BN route converting to part LT. All spare Arriva LTs to the 259 then. If the 259 does convert to LT I suspect Arriva would move it to AR for a common pool of LTs with the 149 with something else moving the other way to EC The 123 could move back to EC if the 259 moved to AR. I just thought as the 106 is already at AE, the LTs could just stay at the same garage, excluding the batch moving to T for the 55.
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Post by rif153 on Apr 28, 2019 10:14:25 GMT
Ah yes, I forgot. In that case forget a BN route converting to part LT. All spare Arriva LTs to the 259 then. If the 259 does convert to LT I suspect Arriva would move it to AR for a common pool of LTs with the 149 with something else moving the other way to EC The 123 could move back to EC if the 259 moved to AR. I just thought as the 106 is already at AE, the LTs could just stay at the same garage, excluding the batch moving to T for the 55.[/quote I wonder if an turns between 0:07 and 0:12? www.youtube.com/watch?v=okGay39ArW4 I'd be intruiged to know whether LTs could work on the 106
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Post by busoccultation on Apr 28, 2019 10:22:09 GMT
Ah yes, I forgot. In that case forget a BN route converting to part LT. All spare Arriva LTs to the 259 then. If the 259 does convert to LT I suspect Arriva would move it to AR for a common pool of LTs with the 149 with something else moving the other way to EC The 123 could move back to EC if the 259 moved to AR. I just thought as the 106 is already at AE, the LTs could just stay at the same garage, excluding the batch moving to T for the 55. The only thing now with the 106 is that it would only release diesel buses and that the 34 & 102 new contracts specify Hybrid buses so the LT's released from the 48 & 59 would probably now go on a route that is already allocated with hybrid buses.
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Post by dennistas on Apr 28, 2019 10:23:56 GMT
The 123 could move back to EC if the 259 moved to AR. I just thought as the 106 is already at AE, the LTs could just stay at the same garage, excluding the batch moving to T for the 55. The only thing now with the 106 is that it would only release diesel buses and that the 34 & 102 new contracts specify Hybrid buses so the LT's released from the 48 & 59 would probably now go on a route that is already allocated with hybrid buses. The only other route at AE would be the 78 but that has tight turns. The 254 is already allocated LTs isn't it?
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Post by vjaska on Apr 28, 2019 10:44:21 GMT
The only thing now with the 106 is that it would only release diesel buses and that the 34 & 102 new contracts specify Hybrid buses so the LT's released from the 48 & 59 would probably now go on a route that is already allocated with hybrid buses. The only other route at AE would be the 78 but that has tight turns. The 254 is already allocated LTs isn't it? Yes, it's already allocated LT's.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 28, 2019 10:46:56 GMT
I could certainly see one of Arriva's route converting immediately after the 48 is axed. My money would be on the 259 because it has a similar PVR to the 48 (48's PVR=19 259's PVR=22) plus I believe AE have a few extra LTs knocking around from PVR reductions to the 48, if not then LTs released from the 59 cut can make their way up to AR. The 34 has a PVR of 22 so directly inherit all the 259's HVs and I would imagine the 102 will get HVs released from the 67's cut. I can see a BN route converting to part LT (provided none will be needed elswhere) BN will have plenty of spare LTs when the 59 is cut, don't forget the LTs from the 137 cut still haven't be repurposed. No thanks, BN have two too many LT routes not to mention Brixton (as in the place) was lumbered with one recently when the 415 part converted so give it to South West London who have just the 87.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2019 22:59:16 GMT
Was the 87 a part conversion to routemaster? Still about twelve other vehicles on the route!! No doubt slowing up boarding times with passengers not knowing whether they are coming or going. For people like us we know what buses we can board without seeing driver but average person just jumps on any bus at front.
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Post by vjaska on May 3, 2019 0:09:35 GMT
Was the 87 a part conversion to routemaster? Still about twelve other vehicles on the route!! No doubt slowing up boarding times with passengers not knowing whether they are coming or going. For people like us we know what buses we can board without seeing driver but average person just jumps on any bus at front. The 87 is a full conversion of LT's.
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