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Post by rif153 on Sept 10, 2019 19:07:23 GMT
Even though I don't like LTs, and I'm not happy about the 19's LT conversion, I do think LTs suit Central London better than routes like the 267. On the flip side, there are already more than enough LTs in Central London imo Out of interest, what is your issue with the LT’s? I don’t get this hatred for them by some, yes, they will never be as iconic as the old Routemaster but they at least give London some sort of identity which differentiates from other cities? What, should we all go for the standardised or like the ugly new(ish) Wrightbus? No thanks. I don't buy this idea that the LT is an icon, its a Boris Johnson vanity project. The LTs are far too young to feel iconic, and aren't old enough to have earnt this status either. To me, LTs aren't special, they're just buses. I really don't feel LTs give London an identity, as other have said London already has an identity, and I don't feel LTs contribute to this identity. The London you see on postcards has RMs, RTs, RMLs on the roads, not LTs.
I don't think Wright conventionals are great, I don't like either the G2 or G3 that much. However, I do prefer the variety of buses in London to having one thousand buses which are all identical, thank god we didn't get more than that.
I'm not the biggest LT hater on this forum by any stretch. Some enthusiasts opt to avoid LTs like the plague, I totally empathise with this, however, despite dislking the type, I do tolerate LTs, and if necesarry I do use them, with the 9 and 148 being two LT routes I often find myself on.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 19:28:13 GMT
Out of interest, what is your issue with the LT’s? I don’t get this hatred for them by some, yes, they will never be as iconic as the old Routemaster but they at least give London some sort of identity which differentiates from other cities? What, should we all go for the standardised or like the ugly new(ish) Wrightbus? No thanks. I don't buy this idea that the LT is an icon, its a Boris Johnson vanity project. The LTs are far too young to feel iconic, and aren't old enough to have earnt this status either. To me, LTs aren't special, they're just buses. I really don't feel LTs give London an identity, as other have said London already has an identity, and I don't feel LTs contribute to this identity. The London you see on postcards has RMs, RTs, RMLs on the roads, not LTs.
I don't think Wright conventionals are great, I don't like either the G2 or G3 that much. However, I do prefer the variety of buses in London to having one thousand buses which are all identical, thank god we didn't get more than that.
I'm not the biggest LT hater on this forum by any stretch. Some enthusiasts opt to avoid LTs like the plague, I totally empathise with this, however, despite dislking the type, I do tolerate LTs, and if necesarry I do use them, with the 9 and 148 being two LT routes I often find myself on.
I agree I don't think the public care about buses being icons! much like this so called need to keep the Original Routemasters running on the 15H for 6 months a year at weekends. I doubt many passengers would notice much difference between a LT and a E400 City apart from the obvious three doors (Which are now pointless),
As technology progresses I think this buses will feature less and less in central London and will be cascaded to the suburban routes as more central routes convert to electric over the next few years.
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Post by twobellstogo on Sept 10, 2019 21:37:48 GMT
Icons evolve, they are not created, The only buses I would say are iconic are the original Routemaster and the RT. Other buses may be very interesting, and you could make a strong case for the RF, GS, Metrobus, Titan, even the Dart family to be iconic amongst bus enthusiasts, but with the general public, no : just the RM family and the RT family.
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Post by 700101 on Sept 10, 2019 21:46:09 GMT
While at Mandela Way visiting the DPD depot I saw an LT in the dial a ride garage, is that the prototype?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 10, 2019 21:58:05 GMT
Out of interest, what is your issue with the LT’s? I don’t get this hatred for them by some, yes, they will never be as iconic as the old Routemaster but they at least give London some sort of identity which differentiates from other cities? What, should we all go for the standardised or like the ugly new(ish) Wrightbus? No thanks. I don't buy this idea that the LT is an icon, its a Boris Johnson vanity project. The LTs are far too young to feel iconic, and aren't old enough to have earnt this status either. To me, LTs aren't special, they're just buses. I really don't feel LTs give London an identity, as other have said London already has an identity, and I don't feel LTs contribute to this identity. The London you see on postcards has RMs, RTs, RMLs on the roads, not LTs.
I don't think Wright conventionals are great, I don't like either the G2 or G3 that much. However, I do prefer the variety of buses in London to having one thousand buses which are all identical, thank god we didn't get more than that.
I'm not the biggest LT hater on this forum by any stretch. Some enthusiasts opt to avoid LTs like the plague, I totally empathise with this, however, despite dislking the type, I do tolerate LTs, and if necesarry I do use them, with the 9 and 148 being two LT routes I often find myself on.
Whether LT's are an icon is a matter of opinion but they are certainly not a Boris vanity project anymore than the fares freeze is a Sadiq Khan vanity project. They both delivered their promises and would quite rightly be slaughtered if they hadn't. If some enthusiasts want to avoid LT's it's up to them, personally I'll just get on whatever bus comes along whether it be an LT or another type of bus and I would imagine most people are the same?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2019 19:33:26 GMT
For most days this week the 67 has had just one HV on the route! I imagine it should finally convert fully in the next day or so.
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Post by M1104 on Sept 13, 2019 19:55:43 GMT
I don't think Wright conventionals are great, I don't like either the G2 or G3 that much. However, I do prefer the variety of buses in London to having one thousand buses which are all identical, thank god we didn't get more than that.
Whether LT's are an icon is a matter of opinion but they are certainly not a Boris vanity project anymore than the fares freeze is a Sadiq Khan vanity project. They both delivered their promises and would quite rightly be slaughtered if they hadn't. If some enthusiasts want to avoid LT's it's up to them, personally I'll just get on whatever bus comes along whether it be an LT or another type of bus and I would imagine most people are the same? For me personally I like or dislike buses based mainly on performance. If the LTs were ADL chassied or simply shifted like the MMCs I may have even wished a Mitcham route had them. As they are now, I would still in jump on one if it serves me best there and then... speaking mainly at Brixton heading towards Streatham. At the end of the day "a bus is a bus".
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Post by abc on Oct 1, 2019 10:49:48 GMT
I apologise if this has been mentioned before, but LTZ1796 is on route 332.
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Post by rif153 on Oct 1, 2019 21:26:48 GMT
I apologise if this has been mentioned before, but LTZ1796 is on route 332. LTs on the 332 are very frequent now. With the loss of the 13-reg TEHs to G for the 282 on the horizon, W decided to insert the 332 on their LT blinds so there's now a common user pool between the 16, 168, 189, and 332. You can often get TEHs on the 16 and LTs on the 332 simultaneously.
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Post by busaholic on Oct 1, 2019 21:53:38 GMT
I apologise if this has been mentioned before, but LTZ1796 is on route 332. LTs on the 332 are very frequent now. With the loss of the 13-reg TEHs to G for the 282 on the horizon, W decided to insert the 332 on their LT blinds so there's now a common user pool between the 16, 168, 189, and 332. You can often get TEHs on the 16 and LTs on the 332 simultaneously. It's the zeitgest - spread the misery!
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 2, 2019 8:12:32 GMT
Interestingly london bus routes states that the 19 will fully convert to New Routemaster on the 25th April using buses from the 67. I wonder what's happening there. Frequency cut? Re converting to conventional buses or the current batch moving to the 19 with the 67 using a different batch.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 2, 2019 8:20:39 GMT
Interestingly london bus routes states that the 19 will fully convert to New Routemaster on the 25th April using buses from the 67. I wonder what's happening there. Frequency cut? Re converting to conventional buses or the current batch moving to the 19 with the 67 using a different batch. I'm not totally clued up with the 67 but I believe it's scheduled to be cut back to Dalston. Spare LTs would then be available to complete the 19's conversion, which by then would have already been part-converted with redundant LTs from the 48.
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 2, 2019 8:31:57 GMT
The 67 has already cut to Dalston Junction and has a PVR of 12.
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Post by John tuthill on Oct 2, 2019 9:24:02 GMT
Interestingly london bus routes states that the 19 will fully convert to New Routemaster on the 25th April using buses from the 67. I wonder what's happening there. Frequency cut? Re converting to conventional buses or the current batch moving to the 19 with the 67 using a different batch. Didn't someone post in the past that the LT(please note correct type )had difficulties turning into Beaufort Street?
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Post by southlondonbus on Oct 2, 2019 9:31:42 GMT
I thought it was the Heater Road stand that couldn't take the LTs when first tested.
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