|
Post by RM5chris on Dec 12, 2013 11:02:56 GMT
Extension with a branch to Northumberland Park (a new station beside/next to the depot) would be nice!
|
|
|
Post by M1104 on Dec 12, 2013 11:18:22 GMT
Extension with a branch to Northumberland Park (a new station beside/next to the depot) would be nice! Wasn't there an actual consultation on that?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2013 15:09:33 GMT
I like the idea of the bakerloo line reaching either Hayes (Kent) via Camberwell , Peckham , New Cross , Lewisham , Ladywell etc.
DLR to Bromley North via Hither Green , Grove Park , Sundridge Park
Cross rail should go beyond Abbey Wood to Dartford , Greenhithe to a terminal at Ebbsfleet. There is a huge development being planned there , basically a new town and a n international theme park !
A new tube line could be constructed from Croydon to Hackney via Thornton Heath, Norbury, Streatham, Tooting , Wandsworth Common , Clapham Junction , Battersea Village , Chelsea and thence via the mooted line via Bond Street etc . Westfield are redeveloping Croydon so maybe they would finance it even called it the Westfield Line !
|
|
|
Post by towerman on Dec 13, 2013 14:24:04 GMT
Originally the Victoria Line was going to take over the main line from Hoe Street(Walthamstow Central)to Chingford but the Eastern Region electrification put paid to that.
|
|
|
Post by snowman on Dec 13, 2013 17:17:13 GMT
Originally the Victoria Line was going to take over the main line from Hoe Street(Walthamstow Central)to Chingford but the Eastern Region electrification put paid to that. Strictly it would have joined before the next station Wood Street (there was a large site between them, think it was the remainder of a steam loco depot near Sherhall St). The diversion to Hoe Street was a cost cutting idea. At the southern end the overun tunnels were built so they could become running tunnels of an extension and indeed go a long way towards another station thus allowing their use as storage sidings. Similarly the Jubilee tunnels almost reach Aldwych, and work was done at Elephant & Castle decades ago to permit a Camberwell extension to Bakerloo. I think Parliamentary powers were kept alive for many years so could be revived with a one line statute repealing the time clause.
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2013 17:22:48 GMT
Originally the Victoria Line was going to take over the main line from Hoe Street(Walthamstow Central)to Chingford but the Eastern Region electrification put paid to that. Strictly it would have joined before the next station Wood Street (there was a large site between them, think it was the remainder of a steam loco depot near Sherhall St). The diversion to Hoe Street was a cost cutting idea. At the southern end the overun tunnels were built so they could become running tunnels of an extension and indeed go a long way towards another station thus allowing their use as storage sidings. Similarly the Jubilee tunnels almost reach Aldwych, and work was done at Elephant & Castle decades ago to permit a Camberwell extension to Bakerloo. I think Parliamentary powers were kept alive for many years so could be revived with a one line statute repealing the time clause. Apparently, the overrun tunnels south of Brixton run halfway towards Herne Hill - not sure how true that is though but seems to fit in with what your saying.
|
|
|
Post by M1104 on Dec 13, 2013 20:59:23 GMT
Strictly it would have joined before the next station Wood Street (there was a large site between them, think it was the remainder of a steam loco depot near Sherhall St). The diversion to Hoe Street was a cost cutting idea. At the southern end the overun tunnels were built so they could become running tunnels of an extension and indeed go a long way towards another station thus allowing their use as storage sidings. Similarly the Jubilee tunnels almost reach Aldwych, and work was done at Elephant & Castle decades ago to permit a Camberwell extension to Bakerloo. I think Parliamentary powers were kept alive for many years so could be revived with a one line statute repealing the time clause. Apparently, the overrun tunnels south of Brixton run halfway towards Herne Hill - not sure how true that is though but seems to fit in with what your saying. It does indeed almost reach Herne Hill, running more or less under Railton Road. It is similar to when the Picadilly line was extended to Heathrow Central in the 1970s....the overrun tunnels stretching the best part of a mile before it runs into the newer tunnel built in the 1980s as part of the terminal 4 loop. At the Bakerloo line station of elephant and Castle I notice that one well lit overrun tunnel (northbound platform) splits into two directions, I take it the tunnel to the right leads to the small outside Depot between Lambeth Road and the girl's school (where the 155, 363 and 468 stand).
|
|
|
Post by M1104 on Dec 13, 2013 21:15:27 GMT
There was a TV program on a few weeks back about ghost sightings at Aldwych station. The ghost hunting team were seen walking in the overrun tunnel beyond Aldwych, about a good mile in if I remember correctly.
They eventually came up to a parked up 72 stock train that was parked at a point where another tunnel was merging into theirs. Unfortunately the train was already turned off and preventing them from going any further into the tunnel.
|
|
|
Post by LX09FBJ on Dec 13, 2013 23:29:03 GMT
There was a TV program on a few weeks back about ghost sightings at Aldwych station. The ghost hunting team were seen walking in the overrun tunnel beyond Aldwych, about a good mile in if I remember correctly. They eventually came up to a parked up 72 stock train that was parked at a point where another tunnel was merging into theirs. Unfortunately the train was already turned off and preventing them from going any further into the tunnel. The Aldwych branch is (I think) still used for filming scenes on the Underground in TV and film, where LUL would possibly have objections to filming on the actual, open network.
|
|
|
Post by John tuthill on Dec 13, 2013 23:30:09 GMT
Apparently, the overrun tunnels south of Brixton run halfway towards Herne Hill - not sure how true that is though but seems to fit in with what your saying. It does indeed almost reach Herne Hill, running or less under Railton Road. It is similar to when the Picadilly line was extended to Heathrow Central in the 1970s....the overrun tunnels stretching the best part of a mile before it runs into the newer tunnel built in the 1980s as part of the terminal 4 loop. At the Bakerloo line station of elephant and Castle I notice that one well lit overrun tunnel (northbound platform) splits into two directions, I take it the tunnel to the right leads to the small outside Depot between Lambeth Road and the girl's school (where the 155, 363 and 468 stand). Lonson Road depot is only accessed by a single line accessed north of Lambeth North station
|
|
|
Post by vjaska on Dec 13, 2013 23:51:29 GMT
There was a TV program on a few weeks back about ghost sightings at Aldwych station. The ghost hunting team were seen walking in the overrun tunnel beyond Aldwych, about a good mile in if I remember correctly. They eventually came up to a parked up 72 stock train that was parked at a point where another tunnel was merging into theirs. Unfortunately the train was already turned off and preventing them from going any further into the tunnel. The Aldwych branch is (I think) still used for filming scenes on the Underground in TV and film, where LUL would possibly have objections to filming on the actual, open network. Yeah, I think it's used for filming along with the old Charing Cross Jubilee Line station.
|
|
|
Post by M1104 on Dec 14, 2013 2:43:36 GMT
There was a TV program on a few weeks back about ghost sightings at Aldwych station. The ghost hunting team were seen walking in the overrun tunnel beyond Aldwych, about a good mile in if I remember correctly. They eventually came up to a parked up 72 stock train that was parked at a point where another tunnel was merging into theirs. Unfortunately the train was already turned off and preventing them from going any further into the tunnel. The Aldwych branch is (I think) still used for filming scenes on the Underground in TV and film, where LUL would possibly have objections to filming on the actual, open network. I remember Aldwych station and a Piccadilly Line 73 stock being used in Superman 4, which at that time I found odd as the setup was for a Metropolis subway station. This was before I realised that the majority of the film was done in England....including all the Daily Planet scenes.
|
|
|
Post by snowman on Dec 14, 2013 8:10:30 GMT
There were plans to extend the Victoria Line from Brixton to Croydon in the 70's via Streatham & Thornton Heath but British Rail objected and the plan was shelved.BTW,back in the mid 20's when the Northern Line extended to Morden there were plans to take over the Wimbledon Loop,but again it was shelved due to objections from the Southern Railway. "...objections from the Southern Railway." That explains why there are so few tube lines south of the river.(Ignore the Jubilee and the Victoria which are post war) I have dug the history out for this. The Wimbledon and Sutton Line was proposed by the District Railway, not surprisingly the London and South Western Railway was less than enthusiastic. This was about 1910. The scheme involved Quadrupling between Parsons Green and Putney Bridge to allow faster trains to overtake. Some of this did happen, land was purchased and at least one extra platform got built, sidings were later built on some of the quadruple track formation. After the First World war killed expansion, nothing happened until mid 1920s. The Underground group and Southern Railway (the successors) made an agreement that the Southern would build the Wimbledon and Sutton and Underground Northern line extension would go no further than Morden (although depot could be beyond) to avoid extracting each others passengers (this was before revenue sharing). London County Council built big estates near St Helier, but the spirit of the agreement was rather broken by providing bus feeder services to Morden. Although the line is now referred to as the Wimbledon loop, the original loop was from Tooting, and followed what is now the tramlink, then via Merton, Merton Abbey (Merantum Way was built on the Trackbed) back to Tooting. Tooting station was resited, it was originally in the fork with 4 platforms. The line via Merton Abbey lost its passenger services decades ago as it couldn't compete with the new Northern line extension. To this day the agreement still gives the Southern Railway (the Nationalisation Acts transferred these powers to replacement) a veto over any tube extension south of the river, which is why the Herne Hill extension of Victoria could be objected to by British Rail.
|
|
|
Post by M1104 on Dec 14, 2013 15:08:43 GMT
It does indeed almost reach Herne Hill, running or less under Railton Road. It is similar to when the Picadilly line was extended to Heathrow Central in the 1970s....the overrun tunnels stretching the best part of a mile before it runs into the newer tunnel built in the 1980s as part of the terminal 4 loop. At the Bakerloo line station of elephant and Castle I notice that one well lit overrun tunnel (northbound platform) splits into two directions, I take it the tunnel to the right leads to the small outside Depot between Lambeth Road and the girl's school (where the 155, 363 and 468 stand). Lonson Road depot is only accessed by a single line accessed north of Lambeth North station I thought that once the train leaves that Depot into the tunnel it splits into two, one going to the intersection by Lambeth North and the other going to the northbound platform of the Elephant terminus.
|
|
|
Post by snoggle on Dec 14, 2013 16:13:48 GMT
Lonson Road depot is only accessed by a single line accessed north of Lambeth North station I thought that once the train leaves that Depot into the tunnel it splits into two, one going to the intersection by Lambeth North and the other going to the northbound platform of the Elephant terminus. See the track layout on the Carto Metro map. You'll see there's a double crossover north of Lambeth North but only a single lead tunnel from London Road depot into the northbound Bakerloo Line. This means some trains enter or leave service at Waterloo, not Elephant.
|
|