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Post by Red Dragon on Jan 4, 2017 13:07:39 GMT
So far, it seems nearly every London borough has got LED's among their ranks - from memory, I believe Brent & Enfield are the only boroughs to have no LED's (the North Circular & the Great Cambridge Road within London don't count as it's managed by TfL and not the councils). Kingston has some LED's recently installed but they are only in the Old Town area where the pedestrianized section is. Of course, corrections are welcome as things can quickly change Enfield has used LED heads on existing posts replacing all lamps not replaced with the major replacement some years back.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 4, 2017 15:03:58 GMT
So far, it seems nearly every London borough has got LED's among their ranks - from memory, I believe Brent & Enfield are the only boroughs to have no LED's (the North Circular & the Great Cambridge Road within London don't count as it's managed by TfL and not the councils). Kingston has some LED's recently installed but they are only in the Old Town area where the pedestrianized section is. Of course, corrections are welcome as things can quickly change Enfield has used LED heads on existing posts replacing all lamps not replaced with the major replacement some years back. Thanks for that - out of interest, what roads have them so I can make a note of them to look out for next time. EDIT: My memory is telling me that Bullsmoor Lane lost its lovely Thorn Alpha 8's for LED's?
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Post by Red Dragon on Jan 4, 2017 17:27:53 GMT
Enfield has used LED heads on existing posts replacing all lamps not replaced with the major replacement some years back. Thanks for that - out of interest, what roads have them so I can make a note of them to look out for next time. EDIT: My memory is telling me that Bullsmoor Lane lost its lovely Thorn Alpha 8's for LED's? Cannon Hill, Aldermans Hill, Hedge Lane? are the ones I can remember; same goes for Bullsmoor - can be seen on streetview (looks like some got new poles).
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Post by vjaska on Mar 10, 2017 18:46:03 GMT
Update:
Newham: LED's are fast spreading across the side roads in Newham and the once massive population of Thorn Beta 79's are dwindling to the point where the only sizeable population left will be in the Borough of Greenwich. There is also LED's fitted on Station Road in Manor Park but the large population of the GEC Z8600 series lights on the main roads elsewhere in the borough are still safe for now.
Lambeth: The LED programme has finished on the side roads whilst many pathways have also been done. Now, work has begun on fitting Phosco P863 LED's to the medium roads as well as one main road, South Lambeth Road, which has the oldest columns left which are Stewart's Lloyd columns and date from the 60/70's - I watched some being removed today, really sad to see them go. Currently, there are some survivors and they might survive this weekend before being removed next week - hopefully I can get some pics. I suspect Stockwell Road, Stockwell Park Walk & a small section of Kennington Road will also be targeted with the majority of columns dating from the 80's.
City of Westminster and Kensington & Chelsea: Rather than full blown replacement, a number of lights have been converted to LED's.
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Post by M1104 on Mar 13, 2017 15:39:54 GMT
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Post by snowman on Jul 13, 2017 20:44:35 GMT
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Post by vjaska on Jul 13, 2017 23:07:52 GMT
Massive shame as that will probably mean the end of the Thorn Beta 79 which are still attached to many of the concrete columns left in the borough. Amazingly, the SOX Philip MA60's left on Kew Road, Castlenau, a small stretch of Upper Sunbury Road & a small stretch of Staines Road East are seemingly being retained for now along with the only SOX Thorn Alpha 4's in the borough which are on Upper Richmond Road West. This streetlight modernising scheme is similar to the one that took place in Harrow a few years ago where they too replaced their remaining concrete columns with Urbis Axia LED's on new steel columns but they've yet to replace their remaining SOX lighting which is all located on side roads but is well outnumbered by SON lighting.
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Post by snowman on Jul 14, 2017 6:13:13 GMT
Massive shame as that will probably mean the end of the Thorn Beta 79 which are still attached to many of the concrete columns left in the borough. Amazingly, the SOX Philip MA60's left on Kew Road, Castlenau, a small stretch of Upper Sunbury Road & a small stretch of Staines Road East are seemingly being retained for now along with the only SOX Thorn Alpha 4's in the borough which are on Upper Richmond Road West. This streetlight modernising scheme is similar to the one that took place in Harrow a few years ago where they too replaced their remaining concrete columns with Urbis Axia LED's on new steel columns but they've yet to replace their remaining SOX lighting which is all located on side roads but is well outnumbered by SON lighting. Try the area around Ham common, some real oddities in the side roads around the area, including pole top lights, fluted columns, some of the remaining concrete poles, And of course the 2 gas lights still in use by Ham Gate to Richmond Park in Ham Gate Avenue (there is a sign next to them regarding their restoration few years back). Ham Street and some of the narrow side streets in Petersham also have a strange historic mixture as big replacement schemes haven't happened here yet.
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Post by M1199 on Aug 8, 2017 22:23:21 GMT
This is quite an interesting thread.
Hillingdon's the latest borough to receive LED lamps, yesterday, my street saw all but one lamppost changed over to LED's. Though is seems to me as though they are doing it on the cheap, whereas only the lamp is being replaced and the post remains the same. Doesn't look so out of place down my road as it was only built within the last 20 years, however on my travels yesterday, I noticed a fair few other back streets with the new LED's attached to posts that prob date back to the 60's or 70's that looked rather odd.
First impressions, other than making it look like daylight right underneath it, it has made my street a whole lot darker, my allocated parking space is now almost in total darkness, not a good thing! I guess I'll get used to them in the end, however I shall miss the warm yellow glow of the sodium lamps being replaced.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2017 23:19:51 GMT
This is quite an interesting thread. Hillingdon's the latest borough to receive LED lamps, yesterday, my street saw all but one lamppost changed over to LED's. Though is seems to me as though they are doing it on the cheap, whereas only the lamp is being replaced and the post remains the same. Doesn't look so out of place down my road as it was only built within the last 20 years, however on my travels yesterday, I noticed a fair few other back streets with the new LED's attached to posts that prob date back to the 60's or 70's that looked rather odd. First impressions, other than making it look like daylight right underneath it, it has made my street a whole lot darker, my allocated parking space is now almost in total darkness, not a good thing! I guess I'll get used to them in the end, however I shall miss the warm yellow glow of the sodium lamps being replaced. Hillingdon seem to be taking their time as they installed a number of LED's on the roads surrounding the perimeter of Heathrow last year removing all but one of the last classic Thorn Alpha 3's (there the turtle shaped looking ones - last remaining one is on Nettleton Road next to the roundabout where it meets Nene Road & East Ramp. Other places that got LED's was the Charville Lane Estate right where the 195 stands and there was a side road in Uxbridge just up from Bakers Road with LED's attached to what looked like new 'swan neck' brackets Brent is now the only London Borough to not have LED's installed apart from replacements for broken lights - the North Circular Road through Brent is lit with LED's but Brent don't manage that road. I most certainly agree with you that LED's do actually make places darker - having had them on my road, I've got used to them but you can still noticed the difference compared to the SON lights we had before. I've always liked Hillingdon because of their collection of SOX (sodium) lights so it's sad to hear they are being replaced as I love how they switch to red before becoming that warm yellow colour
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 8, 2017 23:38:27 GMT
This is quite an interesting thread. Hillingdon's the latest borough to receive LED lamps, yesterday, my street saw all but one lamppost changed over to LED's. Though is seems to me as though they are doing it on the cheap, whereas only the lamp is being replaced and the post remains the same. Doesn't look so out of place down my road as it was only built within the last 20 years, however on my travels yesterday, I noticed a fair few other back streets with the new LED's attached to posts that prob date back to the 60's or 70's that looked rather odd. First impressions, other than making it look like daylight right underneath it, it has made my street a whole lot darker, my allocated parking space is now almost in total darkness, not a good thing! I guess I'll get used to them in the end, however I shall miss the warm yellow glow of the sodium lamps being replaced. Ealing deliberately appear to have installed less powerful lights in side roads and many main roads the path immediately outside my flats is a good 10 or so metres from the road and the LEDs don't reach there (and probably wouldn't even if they were brighter), whereas the old lights did. Often when I turn into my side road my eyes need time to adjust to the significantly reduced light. It is also a nightmare (!) trying to park next to a dark coloured car Ok, that was an exaggeration , but what isn't exaggerated is how hard it is to see anything in wet weather while driving at night . Nearby Merrick Road is another annoying one, it has some quite large gaps between the 2008-installed columns and it can be very dark between them.
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Post by Hassaan on Aug 8, 2017 23:44:02 GMT
This is quite an interesting thread. Hillingdon's the latest borough to receive LED lamps, yesterday, my street saw all but one lamppost changed over to LED's. Though is seems to me as though they are doing it on the cheap, whereas only the lamp is being replaced and the post remains the same. Doesn't look so out of place down my road as it was only built within the last 20 years, however on my travels yesterday, I noticed a fair few other back streets with the new LED's attached to posts that prob date back to the 60's or 70's that looked rather odd. First impressions, other than making it look like daylight right underneath it, it has made my street a whole lot darker, my allocated parking space is now almost in total darkness, not a good thing! I guess I'll get used to them in the end, however I shall miss the warm yellow glow of the sodium lamps being replaced. Hillingdon seem to be taking their time as they installed a number of LED's on the roads surrounding the perimeter of Heathrow last year removing all but one of the last classic Thorn Alpha 3's (there the turtle shaped looking ones - last remaining one is on Nettleton Road next to the roundabout where it meets Nene Road & East Ramp. Other places that got LED's was the Charville Lane Estate right where the 195 stands and there was a side road in Uxbridge just up from Bakers Road with LED's attached to what looked like new 'swan neck' brackets Brent is now the only London Borough to not have LED's installed apart from replacements for broken lights - the North Circular Road through Brent is lit with LED's but Brent don't manage that road. I most certainly agree with you that LED's do actually make places darker - having had them on my road, I've got used to them but you can still noticed the difference compared to the SON lights we had before. I've always liked Hillingdon because of their collection of SOX (sodium) lights so it's sad to hear they are being replaced as I love how they switch to red before becoming that warm yellow colour Sutton still have a huge number in side roads, mostly on concrete lampposts too, but Carshalton and Wallington seem to be mostly LED now . However, on St Helier Avenue by Rose Hill Roundabout is there is a double-sided concrete lamppost, surely that must be very rare?
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2017 23:52:00 GMT
Update: Newham: LED's are fast spreading across the side roads in Newham and the once massive population of Thorn Beta 79's are dwindling to the point where the only sizeable population left will be in the Borough of Greenwich. There is also LED's fitted on Station Road in Manor Park but the large population of the GEC Z8600 series lights on the main roads elsewhere in the borough are still safe for now. Lambeth: The LED programme has finished on the side roads whilst many pathways have also been done. Now, work has begun on fitting Phosco P863 LED's to the medium roads as well as one main road, South Lambeth Road, which has the oldest columns left which are Stewart's Lloyd columns and date from the 60/70's - I watched some being removed today, really sad to see them go. Currently, there are some survivors and they might survive this weekend before being removed next week - hopefully I can get some pics. I suspect Stockwell Road, Stockwell Park Walk & a small section of Kennington Road will also be targeted with the majority of columns dating from the 80's. City of Westminster and Kensington & Chelsea: Rather than full blown replacement, a number of lights have been converted to LED's. Apologies for lack of updates: The Lambeth LED programme has now converted the vast majority of the borough to LED's with only a handful of main roads and minor roads still not done. The ones I've seen for myself are: Main Roads: Acre Lane (between Lambeth Town Hall & Baytree Road) Albert Embankment Ambleside Avenue Atlantic Road Brixton Hill Brixton Road Camberwell New Road Clapham Common North Side Clapham Common South Side Clapham High Street Clapham Road Coldharbour Lane (between Lambeth Town Hall & Somerleyton Road) Durham Street Effra Road (between Lambeth Town Hall & Mervan Road) Ernest Avenue Harleyford Road (between Vauxhall Gyratory & Kennington Oval) Kennington Lane Kennington Park Road Kennington Road (between Kennington Park Road & Kennington Lane) Knights Hill (between Robson Road & Ernest Avenue) Norwood High Street (between Robson Road & Ernest Avenue) Norwood Road (between Leigham Vale & Robson Road) Old Town St. Matthews Road Stockwell Park Walk Stockwell Road Streatham Hill Streatham High Road (between Woodbourne Avenue & border with Borough of Croydon) The Pavement Vauxhall Gyratory Minor Roads: Beehive Place - Brixton Town Centre Bernays Grove - Brixton Town Centre Brighton Terrace (between Brixton Road & Bernays Grove) - Brixton Town Centre Porden Road - Brixton Town Centre Tunstall Road - Brixton Town Centre Woodbourne Avenue - Streatham The columns on the main & minor roads in Brixton Town Centre are expected to be retained and instead a conversion of the light to LED will happen instead - eveidence of this is already there as for Acre Lane, they've converted the lights for the pavement on the sides of the columns to LED's but have yet to convert the main light that overlooks the road - this was done a month ago and is the only road to have this done thus far. The columns on Norwood Road, Norwood High Street, Ernest Avenue, Knights Hill, Old Town, Clapham Common North Side (except for a tiny section between Cedars Road & Long Road), The Pavement, Clapham Common South Side (except for the section between Long Road & Clapham South Station) & Clapham High Street are also expected to be retained having been erected at similar times to other identical models elsewhere in the borough that have been converted to LED's. Vauxhall Gyratory should be left out as it columns will be replaced during the junction improvement works whilst all other main roads are quite hard to say at this moment - what is more certain is that the roads with the oldest columns on which date from the 80's (these are the rest of Clapham Common South Side, a large chunk of Stockwell Road, part of Stockwell Park Walk and Kennington Road between Kennington Park Road & Kennington Lane) should be replaced as currently, Mitcham Lane is having it's 1980's columns replaced with new ones. Beehive Place and Tunstall Road are two exceptions however - Beehive Place has Industria Arcs installed during the Lambeth 2005 PFI scheme which are still up last time I walked past which was last week whilst Tunstall Road still has it's 1990's columns with their original lights (Urbis ZX1's) attached. As for Woodbourne Avenue, well this road has seemingly been forgotten when every other road off Streatham High Road has already been completed.
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Post by vjaska on Aug 8, 2017 23:55:15 GMT
Hillingdon seem to be taking their time as they installed a number of LED's on the roads surrounding the perimeter of Heathrow last year removing all but one of the last classic Thorn Alpha 3's (there the turtle shaped looking ones - last remaining one is on Nettleton Road next to the roundabout where it meets Nene Road & East Ramp. Other places that got LED's was the Charville Lane Estate right where the 195 stands and there was a side road in Uxbridge just up from Bakers Road with LED's attached to what looked like new 'swan neck' brackets Brent is now the only London Borough to not have LED's installed apart from replacements for broken lights - the North Circular Road through Brent is lit with LED's but Brent don't manage that road. I most certainly agree with you that LED's do actually make places darker - having had them on my road, I've got used to them but you can still noticed the difference compared to the SON lights we had before. I've always liked Hillingdon because of their collection of SOX (sodium) lights so it's sad to hear they are being replaced as I love how they switch to red before becoming that warm yellow colour Sutton still have a huge number in side roads, mostly on concrete lampposts too, but Carshalton and Wallington seem to be mostly LED now . However, on St Helier Avenue by Rose Hill Roundabout is there is a double-sided concrete lamppost, surely that must be very rare? Ahh, good to hear those concrete columns have survived - yes sadly, Carshalton & Wallington were converted a while ago full of Urbis Axias on the side roads and some Urbis LED on the main roads That double armed concrete column would certainly be rare nowadays, even rarer than the sodium lights that are attached - I don't think there are many others in London , if any at all.
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Post by M1104 on Oct 5, 2017 12:47:05 GMT
Montague Road in the Wimbledon area is the latest observed with retrofitted energy saver lamps, still on their 1960's post but also now with shorter necks. These street lights were very much like the silver ones abundant along the High Streets in the Croydon area, but these particular Wimbledon variants had slightly unique designed lampcasings. It's only a pity I don't know the names of all these designs like I do with the buses. Trinity Road, the continuation of Montague Road, had their identical street lights refurbished a good twenty years earlier. As far as I am aware the only Croydon look-alike street lights still in abundance in the Merton area is Liberty Avenue, which can be seen from the 152 and 200 along Christchurch Road and Church Road, just before the two routes split up going towards Mitcham.
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