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Post by M1104 on Jul 3, 2014 20:03:07 GMT
There were discussions years back on widening the platforms of these two stations like they did with Angel, which would involve construction of new platforms and tunnels.... not to mention all the effects it will have at street level during and after construction. It doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility however, given Transport for London's present funds situations plus the effort ploughed into the Battersea extension.
I was thinking instead (or meanwhile) that Clapham Common and North's platforms could have platform doors like on the East section of the Jubilee line. The idea came to my mind in the light of the recent Stevie wonder concert, where at chucking out times these two stations were closed due to the dangers of overcrowding.
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Post by snoggle on Jul 3, 2014 20:26:19 GMT
My view is that stations are the next big issue for LU to face up to. There is no point in upgrading lines to shove yet more people down the tunnels if it takes them 20 minutes of queuing to get from the street to the platform and on to a train. The same applies if it takes an inordinate amount of time to get out at the destination. People need good spacious stations to move around it.
I don't see the rush hour very much these days but seeing places like Finsbury Park Vic Line platforms full with people 5-6 deep even with trains every 90-100 seconds shows the ridiculous state of affairs. It will cost billions to expand central area and suburban stations to cope but I've no idea where the Claphams are on the list. Holborn and Camden Town are the next big schemes after Bond St, TCR, Vauxhall and Victoria complete. Finsbury Park is getting some money spent on it - old spiral staircases are now back in service while a new ticket hall, ticket gates, lifts and a new corridor (well an old one reopened) are also planned. None of that deals with the platforms that are too small. I expect others can nominate stations which are grossly overloaded in the peaks. Crossrail will bring some relief but I fear it will be very short lived as the new journey opportunities will create more demand.
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Post by twobellstogo on Jul 3, 2014 22:07:09 GMT
There were discussions years back on widening the platforms of these two stations like they did with Angel, which would involve construction of new platforms and tunnels.... not to mention all the effects it will have at street level during and after construction. It doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility however, given Transport for London's present funds situations plus the effort ploughed into the Battersea extension. I was thinking instead (or meanwhile) that Clapham Common and North's platforms could have platform doors like on the East section of the Jubilee line. The idea came to my mind in the light of the recent Stevie wonder concert, where at chucking out times these two stations were closed due to the dangers of overcrowding. As far as I am aware, only Common was closed, my train back from the festival called at North  |
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Post by M1104 on Jul 3, 2014 22:26:34 GMT
Ah ok, but North should nevertheless be given the same treatment.
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Post by sid on Jul 30, 2014 14:42:41 GMT
There were discussions years back on widening the platforms of these two stations like they did with Angel, which would involve construction of new platforms and tunnels.... not to mention all the effects it will have at street level during and after construction. It doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility however, given Transport for London's present funds situations plus the effort ploughed into the Battersea extension. I was thinking instead (or meanwhile) that Clapham Common and North's platforms could have platform doors like on the East section of the Jubilee line. The idea came to my mind in the light of the recent Stevie wonder concert, where at chucking out times these two stations were closed due to the dangers of overcrowding. The cut price solution would be to have one station for n/b trains only and the other for s/b trains only with the other platform fenced off, not ideal but.......... |
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Post by M1104 on Jul 30, 2014 16:23:43 GMT
There were discussions years back on widening the platforms of these two stations like they did with Angel, which would involve construction of new platforms and tunnels.... not to mention all the effects it will have at street level during and after construction. It doesn't seem to be a realistic possibility however, given Transport for London's present funds situations plus the effort ploughed into the Battersea extension. I was thinking instead (or meanwhile) that Clapham Common and North's platforms could have platform doors like on the East section of the Jubilee line. The idea came to my mind in the light of the recent Stevie wonder concert, where at chucking out times these two stations were closed due to the dangers of overcrowding. The cut price solution would be to have one station for n/b trains only and the other for s/b trains only with the other platform fenced off, not ideal but.......... That would involve quite a bit of an inconvenience as Clapham Common is one of the busiest stations on the Morden leg of the Northern Line... for both entrance and exit. I imagine clapham north has its on/off loads as well with its connection with Clapham Station. It may also have to involve adjusting the bus service in terms of its capacity/frequency. |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 2, 2014 18:21:21 GMT
The cut price solution would be to have one station for n/b trains only and the other for s/b trains only with the other platform fenced off, not ideal but.......... That would involve quite a bit of an inconvenience as Clapham Common is one of the busiest stations on the Morden leg of the Northern Line... for both entrance and exit. I imagine clapham north has its on/off loads as well with its connection with Clapham Station. It may also have to involve adjusting the bus service in terms of its capacity/frequency. I can't see platforms being made unidirectional at these stations. All you do is shift the overcrowding problem one stop down or up the line and force people to double back. I expect TfL will try to squeeze the maximum enhancement from running a more frequent service once they get more trains and the Battersea extension / further enhancement to ATO is done. Clearly usage will continue to rise - especially at Clapham North with the interchange to the Overground a few mins away. Unfortunately for the Clapham stations there are far, far too many stations ahead of them in the "station capacity expansion wish list" and I'd be astonished if they had extra platforms added in my lifetime (assuming I've got another 30 years or so left!). |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2014 8:15:20 GMT
It makes me wonder how much TFL paid to have a new platform at Angel Station during their upgrade.
There should be two new platforms made for Clapham Common and Clapham North. The existing narrow platform should be used as a full northbound platform which causes it to be widened to increase capacity like with the Angel Southbound platform.
I wonder how much the wonderful upgrade project would cost?
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Post by snoggle on Aug 3, 2014 8:24:08 GMT
It makes me wonder how much TFL paid to have a new platform at Angel Station during their upgrade. There should be two new platforms made for Clapham Common and Clapham North. The existing narrow platform should be used as a full northbound platform which causes it to be widened to increase capacity like with the Angel Southbound platform. I wonder how much the wonderful upgrade project would cost? If my memory is working I think it cost £70m to do Angel but that was many years ago and £70m in today's money would probably be over £110m. I'd guess that doing the Claphams would be about £40m-£50m each assuming no alterations to escalators or ticket halls. Angel got brand new escalators and a ticket hall so was more expensive. |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 3, 2014 9:29:29 GMT
It makes me wonder how much TFL paid to have a new platform at Angel Station during their upgrade. There should be two new platforms made for Clapham Common and Clapham North. The existing narrow platform should be used as a full northbound platform which causes it to be widened to increase capacity like with the Angel Southbound platform. I wonder how much the wonderful upgrade project would cost? If my memory is working I think it cost £70m to do Angel but that was many years ago and £70m in today's money would probably be over £110m. I'd guess that doing the Claphams would be about £40m-£50m each assuming no alterations to escalators or ticket halls. Angel got brand new escalators and a ticket hall so was more expensive. Was it part paid by the developers, or was it wholly in house? Does it now have the longest escalator on the U/G? |
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Post by snoggle on Aug 3, 2014 10:03:16 GMT
If my memory is working I think it cost £70m to do Angel but that was many years ago and £70m in today's money would probably be over £110m. I'd guess that doing the Claphams would be about £40m-£50m each assuming no alterations to escalators or ticket halls. Angel got brand new escalators and a ticket hall so was more expensive. Was it part paid by the developers, or was it wholly in house? Does it now have the longest escalator on the U/G? I think the station works were all LU funded but the ticket hall space is within the development. No idea whether there was a deal about that as I don't think LU owned the land that was developed. The old station entrance off City Road is still extant. I think the escalators at Angel are the longest single flight on LU. I wonder if some of the Crossrail stations will break the record? |
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Post by John tuthill on Aug 3, 2014 11:06:57 GMT
Was it part paid by the developers, or was it wholly in house? Does it now have the longest escalator on the U/G? I think the station works were all LU funded but the ticket hall space is within the development. No idea whether there was a deal about that as I don't think LU owned the land that was developed. The old station entrance off City Road is still extant. I think the escalators at Angel are the longest single flight on LU. I wonder if some of the Crossrail stations will break the record? Thanks for the info |
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