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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 18:00:41 GMT
With the discussion on the Arriva London thread about the sell of OLST to RATP, could we see Arriva sell part of their London ops or all of it? Arriva London South have lost quite a bit of work, and have a lot of work coming up in January, if this work is lost, could we see Arriva sell part of the business?
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Post by Nathan on Sept 11, 2014 18:05:09 GMT
Okay, I think this small rumour has gotten a little bit out of hand now...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2014 18:08:42 GMT
Okay, I think this small rumour has gotten a little bit out of hand now... Completely untrue and uncalled for, this section is general bus discussion and this falls completely into the gender and is what forums are for.
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Post by Nathan on Sept 11, 2014 18:17:09 GMT
Okay, I think this small rumour has gotten a little bit out of hand now... Completely untrue and uncalled for, this section is general bus discussion and this falls completely into the gender and is what forums are for. Fair enough. I just think that there is no point of having a thread for this rumour. But hey, that's just my opinion and I know it won't stop you or anyone from commenting here. And for the record, I don't think Arriva are going to give in so easily
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Post by snoggle on Sept 11, 2014 18:35:31 GMT
Okay, I think this small rumour has gotten a little bit out of hand now... Completely untrue and uncalled for, this section is general bus discussion and this falls completely into the gender and is what forums are for. Hang on. Nathan expressed an opinion about something that is nothing more than speculation as far as any of us can tell. You then say his opinion is untrue when you have provided no evidence to substantiate the speculation. His opinion is no more or less "untrue" than the speculation about a sale. If you have some facts then please share them as that would add weight to your initial statement and may add some rationale to a potential sale. You have said elsewhere that "a newcomer" would be taking over in May 2015. Care to name the newcomer then as I can't see who would want to enter the London market? If you can't do that then we are indulging in nothing more than a gossip session. I thought we had guidance that indulging in speculation about something that could affect staff and morale in the bus company was not in the remit of this forum or am I getting my groups mixed up?
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Post by RM5chris on Sept 11, 2014 18:44:18 GMT
MODS MSG
This thread was locked whilst the content was discussed with management and whether it is suitable for it to continue.
The majority of TBF management that commented have decided to let it continue subject to moderation - so lets all play nice and remember that this is a discussion of a possible scenario - not FACT.
Any post that goes 'a bit too far' will be edited or deleted.
RM5Chris TBF Moderation Team
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Post by Swadbus on Sept 12, 2014 22:57:01 GMT
I'm told by a usually reliable contact there have been 2 impromptu director level meetings earlier this week at head office at Wood Green and contract management and arrangements have been discussed. Obviously, read into that what you want!!
Also, a discussion has taken place as to a reduction in head count of route performance managers and garage officials has also been brought forward to operational staff who it may affect.
Furthermore, I'm told the lease for the land on which EC garage is standing is apparently owned by HSBC who are not renewing the lease as the land is required for redevelopment and that there is approximately 12 months left - although I can't verify this in any way.
Take all of the above with a pinch of salt, just reporting this info is entirely based on rumour from various places, although these rumours generally aren't always accurate, often there is a partial element of truth in them.
Interesting times.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 13, 2014 10:07:26 GMT
I'm told by a usually reliable contact there have been 2 impromptu director level meetings earlier this week at head office at Wood Green and contract management and arrangements have been discussed. Obviously, read into that what you want!! Also, a discussion has taken place as to a reduction in head count of route performance managers and garage officials has also been brought forward to operational staff who it may affect. Furthermore, I'm told the lease for the land on which EC garage is standing is apparently owned by HSBC who are not renewing the lease as the land is required for redevelopment and that there is approximately 12 months left - although I can't verify this in any way. Take all of the above with a pinch of salt, just reporting this info is entirely based on rumour from various places, although these rumours generally aren't always accurate, often there is a partial element of truth in them. Interesting times. All sounds reasonably plausible. Not sure that reducing the numbers of route performance managers is a sensible move but that's just me. No surprise about the land at Edmonton. The whole area is up for redevelopment so there will be big changes there and a bank will certainly want to realise a higher return than it can get from a boring old bus garage. Of course the new area will need new bus services but there'll be nowhere to run them from if all the land is redeveloped for housing and poncy shops.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Sept 13, 2014 10:28:22 GMT
I'm told by a usually reliable contact there have been 2 impromptu director level meetings earlier this week at head office at Wood Green and contract management and arrangements have been discussed. Obviously, read into that what you want!! Also, a discussion has taken place as to a reduction in head count of route performance managers and garage officials has also been brought forward to operational staff who it may affect. Furthermore, I'm told the lease for the land on which EC garage is standing is apparently owned by HSBC who are not renewing the lease as the land is required for redevelopment and that there is approximately 12 months left - although I can't verify this in any way. Take all of the above with a pinch of salt, just reporting this info is entirely based on rumour from various places, although these rumours generally aren't always accurate, often there is a partial element of truth in them. Interesting times. All sounds reasonably plausible. Not sure that reducing the numbers of route performance managers is a sensible move but that's just me. No surprise about the land at Edmonton. The whole area is up for redevelopment so there will be big changes there and a bank will certainly want to realise a higher return than it can get from a boring old bus garage. Of course the new area will need new bus services but there'll be nowhere to run them from if all the land is redeveloped for housing and poncy shops. Maybe Tower Transit had a foresight on the Meridian Water development and thought there might be extra work for this, hence the possibility if a garage being built in the area by them!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2014 10:49:20 GMT
Arriva don't have a major strong hold in my part of east London but from my limited observations on route 325 they seem to run a good service.
They also got a 2 year extension on this service. DX seem to do well in terms of extensions and tender wins.
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Post by snoggle on Sept 13, 2014 10:49:46 GMT
All sounds reasonably plausible. Not sure that reducing the numbers of route performance managers is a sensible move but that's just me. No surprise about the land at Edmonton. The whole area is up for redevelopment so there will be big changes there and a bank will certainly want to realise a higher return than it can get from a boring old bus garage. Of course the new area will need new bus services but there'll be nowhere to run them from if all the land is redeveloped for housing and poncy shops. Maybe Tower Transit had a foresight on the Meridian Water development and thought there might be extra work for this, hence the possibility if a garage being built in the area by them! Well anyone can read the planning paperwork for Meridian Water and see the transport assessment. There are outline proposals for extra bus routes in those documents. There are no guarantees, obviously, that what's in those plans becomes reality but there will be more bus service in the area. The developers have to part fund them via S106 payments to the local authority who then channel the money to TfL. Tower Transit may well be being savvy in building a new depot there but all the operators in the area have the same access to the planning info. Arriva are seemingly disadvantaged by being booted out of the area twice due to the land being needed by others. However they have garages not far away as do London General and we may yet get a CT Plus garage at the Billet. Therefore there is potential for more work in the area in a few years time.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Sept 13, 2014 11:29:57 GMT
Arriva don't have a major strong hold in my part of east London but from my limited observations on route 325 they seem to run a good service. They also got a 2 year extension on this service. DX seem to do well in terms of extensions and tender wins. Yep, although this time route the 150 and 173 didn't get extensions. Along with those two routes and the 135, more than half of DX is currently up for tender within the next 12 months. Would be interesting to see what happens
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Post by ServerKing on Sept 13, 2014 11:54:29 GMT
Maybe Tower Transit had a foresight on the Meridian Water development and thought there might be extra work for this, hence the possibility if a garage being built in the area by them! Well anyone can read the planning paperwork for Meridian Water and see the transport assessment. There are outline proposals for extra bus routes in those documents. There are no guarantees, obviously, that what's in those plans becomes reality but there will be more bus service in the area. The developers have to part fund them via S106 payments to the local authority who then channel the money to TfL. Tower Transit may well be being savvy in building a new depot there but all the operators in the area have the same access to the planning info. Arriva are seemingly disadvantaged by being booted out of the area twice due to the land being needed by others. However they have garages not far away as do London General and we may yet get a CT Plus garage at the Billet. Therefore there is potential for more work in the area in a few years time. It is unfortunate if they have to leave EC as well. But that part of Edmonton looks like eventually 'fixing up' and looking more fit for human habitation as councils look to transform areas with new housing developments. Sadly most of these properties will be purchased by overseas investors, with only a handful going to shared ownership or council allocation, but that's a subject for another day. There's not much land around, I can only think of somewhere near Volvo around Mollison Avenue or around Brimsdown or around Tottenham Hale / Ashley Road / Markfield - but it really depends on what space they could get for a garage if they are forced to relocate again. This is all speculation and RM5chris is looking over my shoulder as I type this (not literally, lol), but perhaps they can move what they can to AD once the 125 and 34 are gone. The 318 can go to AR but I'm not sure if DX could take the W11 and 397. With Tower Transit building new digs in Enfield, things in North London are getting interesting Perhaps they can steal some of Metroline's work in the West of town, I think there's lots of space at Heathrow, though they need to fit fuel pumps
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Post by danorak on Sept 16, 2014 10:37:30 GMT
If Arriva is having to leave EC, you could argue that allowing a degree of natural shrinkage in the business makes sense. The garage space issue is then for someone else to worry about, you aren't exposed to an increased property cost and you can fit what's left into the space you've got. You can TUPE staff to the new operator or perhaps solve any recruitment issues you already have. Meanwhile, I noticed this planning application for Beddington Farm: although it looks like permission for Travis Perkins was granted, there seemed to be some kind of issue around water courses so I don't know if it's going ahead. 5.150.92.212/FASTWEB/fulldetail.asp?AltRef=D2013/68365&Scroll=2&zzAltRef=A2013/67805
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Post by tooting395 on Sept 16, 2014 13:40:42 GMT
Didn't realise they had sold of CN, thought they still used it as a base for training. So they definitely aren't planning to expand their South London business anyway.
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