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Post by busaholic on Feb 13, 2018 0:17:15 GMT
New bus change document content.tfl.gov.uk/bus-service-changes.pdfNew changes 24 Feb to 9 March are : 233 changed to every 21 minutes (weird frequency if you ask me as buses will be 3 minutes later each hour) N253 cuts to every 20 mins Fri-Sat, every 30 min Sun-Thur H22 one schooltime journey cut So quite a short list this time Even during the bad days of the 1970s and 1980s, with cuts galore, there was a recognition that a frequency like 21 minutes was antisocial; 18 and 24 minute headways were deemed acceptable, especially where you had another route with the same headway along a proportion of it which interlaced. Just occasionally, nothing could really be done, like the 64 minute headway on the Sunday 146 so as to only use one bus! The 233's predecessor (at its outer end, anyway) the 21A, although far from the most frequent route in Eltham, was its most reliable through all the time I lived there i.e. the first eighteen years of my life. In bad weather, if there was only one bus at Well Hall Station bus terminus, it was almost certainly a 21a.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 11:06:34 GMT
Latest info on Mr Munster's excellent site would suggest the 216 will remain in current form.
Pvr confirmed at 10
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Post by westhamgeezer on Feb 18, 2018 11:23:27 GMT
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Post by paulo on Feb 18, 2018 12:59:00 GMT
Latest info on Mr Munster's excellent site would suggest the 216 will remain in current form. Pvr confirmed at 10 Surrey have come to the table to support the Staines to Ashford Hospital section evidently. PVR at 10 means a one bus increase too
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2018 13:24:22 GMT
Latest info on Mr Munster's excellent site would suggest the 216 will remain in current form. Pvr confirmed at 10 Surrey have come to the table to support the Staines to Ashford Hospital section evidently. PVR at 10 means a one bus increase too I think the 10th bus is HH schoolday am trip. It will be interesting whether that remains cross linked with the 698 in future given plans to reduce trips on that route should the 278 come to fruition.
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Post by paulo on Feb 18, 2018 15:08:34 GMT
Latest info on Mr Munster's excellent site would suggest the 216 will remain in current form. Pvr confirmed at 10 Surrey have come to the table to support the Staines to Ashford Hospital section evidently. PVR at 10 means a one bus increase too Could indeed be although I fancy it may have a slight increase. Mornings are noticeably busier on the route particularly now that the Double Decks appear to be history. Does anyone know why, was it the accident in Lower Sunbury when some poor chap lost his life?
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2018 15:18:36 GMT
Like the article I posted before, they still seem very confused by what the current 216 routing given it doesn’t terminate at the hospital but Staines Bus Station.
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Post by enviroPB on Feb 18, 2018 18:22:04 GMT
Like the article I posted before, they still seem very confused by what the current 216 routing given it doesn’t terminate at the hospital but Staines Bus Station. I think SCC was referencing the consultation on removing the 216's routing west of Ashford Hospital. Happy a county council has stepped in to provide funding when it seems TfL clearly wasn't prepared to do, as another poster has mentioned.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 18, 2018 18:47:22 GMT
Just done my usual spreadsheet update to reflect the latest changes. Interesting that the cuts to the 228 and N38 take capacity down to what the current levels of demand are. These seems to another emerging development alongside "flat" schedules. The 228 has lost around 50% of its capacity and the N38 about 40%. The 213 changes reverse out 11 years of improvements.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 18, 2018 21:26:00 GMT
Like the article I posted before, they still seem very confused by what the current 216 routing given it doesn’t terminate at the hospital but Staines Bus Station. I think SCC was referencing the consultation on removing the 216's routing west of Ashford Hospital. Happy a county council has stepped in to provide funding when it seems TfL clearly wasn't prepared to do, as another poster has mentioned. Like yourself, I’m happy that it’s being saved to an extent - however, given Ashford Hospital is in Surrey, one could argue that it’s not exactly TfL’s prerogative to do so especially as Surrey was providing funding towards the route and has been doing so for years.
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Post by busaholic on Feb 18, 2018 22:54:28 GMT
Just done my usual spreadsheet update to reflect the latest changes. Interesting that the cuts to the 228 and N38 take capacity down to what the current levels of demand are. These seems to another emerging development alongside "flat" schedules. The 228 has lost around 50% of its capacity and the N38 about 40%. The 213 changes reverse out 11 years of improvements. Looking at it from afar, and through Mr Munster's excellent site, I'm hardly surprised at the 228 as it's been curtailed/diverted/cut in frequency with silly intervals e.g. 13 minutes almost since its inception, and that's just the planned stuff! It puts me in mind of the previous 228, an inoffensive but reliable little route between Chislehurst and Eltham which LT, in their wisdom, then decided to extend along the A2 to Blackheath Standard and Greenwich (Surrey Docks in the peaks), resulting in gaps of an hour or more at times on a 12-15 minute service. I had to give up a night class I went to in the evening at Kidbrooke because of its total unreliability.
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Post by ben on Feb 18, 2018 23:47:42 GMT
Surrey have come to the table to support the Staines to Ashford Hospital section evidently. PVR at 10 means a one bus increase too I think the 10th bus is HH schoolday am trip. It will be interesting whether that remains cross linked with the 698 in future given plans to reduce trips on that route should the 278 come to fruition. If the 278 ever happens, the 697 and 698 could make better use of resources from a total restructure combining both routes and still serving the majority of roads. Wouldn't suprise me if there were cuts to the U1 and U2 as well. *If* the 278 ever happens...
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Post by danorak on Feb 19, 2018 0:34:42 GMT
Just done my usual spreadsheet update to reflect the latest changes. Interesting that the cuts to the 228 and N38 take capacity down to what the current levels of demand are. These seems to another emerging development alongside "flat" schedules. The 228 has lost around 50% of its capacity and the N38 about 40%. The 213 changes reverse out 11 years of improvements. Looking at it from afar, and through Mr Munster's excellent site, I'm hardly surprised at the 228 as it's been curtailed/diverted/cut in frequency with silly intervals e.g. 13 minutes almost since its inception, and that's just the planned stuff! It puts me in mind of the previous 228, an inoffensive but reliable little route between Chislehurst and Eltham which LT, in their wisdom, then decided to extend along the A2 to Blackheath Standard and Greenwich (Surrey Docks in the peaks), resulting in gaps of an hour or more at times on a 12-15 minute service. I had to give up a night class I went to in the evening at Kidbrooke because of its total unreliability. Whenever my mother has a bad experience waiting for buses, she always ends up referring back to waiting for a 228 to visit her parents with my brother. It is clearly a route that lives on in infamy. That said, the modern 286 directly replicates the old Greenwich - Sidcup 228, it just lacks the Chislehurst bit and Surrey Docks peak extension. I always wondered whether the number was selected as a nod to the 228 - it could quite easily have become the 108A at the time.
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Post by MoEnviro on Feb 21, 2018 12:46:41 GMT
Look out for in Monday’s LSP bulletin a new service from Ensignbus, Route Z2 from Amazon Tilbury to Barking and Canning Town.
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Post by snoggle on Feb 22, 2018 11:00:48 GMT
Interesting development. Will forever hinge on the definition of "major" change.
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