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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 20, 2019 8:48:24 GMT
Because it is part of the Central London bus consultation. TfL have not published the result of this consultation so cutting services, albeit just frequencies at this point, is a tad premature. Don't be shocked to see an interim announcement sneaked out on Thursday or Friday saying TfL confirm the 388's frequency reduction with some supporting stats to justify their decision even though it's a fait accompli - unless CT Plus's take up of the 20 has been postponed because TfL can't get a consultation result published. CT Plus won't be able to run route 20 unless some deckers are released within their fleet OR they have to hire some vehicles from somewhere to fill the gap until the 388's frequency can be cut to release the vehicles. The fortnightly bus changes document (according to preamble) covers permanent frequency changes, but not change of Operator, not change of timetable (except school route timetables), not new buses. So TfL can weasel out of it by having undeclared “temporary” frequency changes or permanent timetable changes. Not really what enthusiasts want to here, and not really in the spirit of having the notice of changes. But TfL seem to do their own thing and there is no effective regulator clamping down. The new buses may be parked somewhere secure, so wouldn’t read too much into fact not been seen out and about, don’t need one of the identical new batch to familiarise drivers, and route learning could be in another vehicle. Be interesting to see what announcements (more likely to be quietly updating) happens I wonder if TfL could arrange for someone to set up a few traffic cones around the Here East Area and make a contraflow, then give the 388 a temporary timetable due to roadworks
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Post by redbus on Mar 20, 2019 12:31:24 GMT
Because it is part of the Central London bus consultation. TfL have not published the result of this consultation so cutting services, albeit just frequencies at this point, is a tad premature. Don't be shocked to see an interim announcement sneaked out on Thursday or Friday saying TfL confirm the 388's frequency reduction with some supporting stats to justify their decision even though it's a fait accompli - unless CT Plus's take up of the 20 has been postponed because TfL can't get a consultation result published. CT Plus won't be able to run route 20 unless some deckers are released within their fleet OR they have to hire some vehicles from somewhere to fill the gap until the 388's frequency can be cut to release the vehicles. The fortnightly bus changes document (according to preamble) covers permanent frequency changes, but not change of Operator, not change of timetable (except school route timetables), not new buses. So TfL can weasel out of it by having undeclared “temporary” frequency changes or permanent timetable changes. Not really what enthusiasts want to here, and not really in the spirit of having the notice of changes. But TfL seem to do their own thing and there is no effective regulator clamping down. The new buses may be parked somewhere secure, so wouldn’t read too much into fact not been seen out and about, don’t need one of the identical new batch to familiarise drivers, and route learning could be in another vehicle. Be interesting to see what announcements (more likely to be quietly updating) happens Let us see what happens. One thing I did note that I am unsure is included in the PVR calculations we have made is that according to the bus changes document a peak hour journey is being withdrawn, so does that mean CT Plus will need one bus less?
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Post by Max B on Mar 22, 2019 23:29:30 GMT
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Post by ibus246 on Mar 22, 2019 23:37:25 GMT
You should be reminded that the site is ran by an individual and a individual alone who also has a life outside updating the site. It is a privately ran and very well ran site with no connections to TfL or any obligation to update anything.
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Post by george on Mar 22, 2019 23:40:22 GMT
I'm guessing LTs on the N87 is still not confirmed?
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 1:20:24 GMT
I'm guessing LTs on the N87 is still not confirmed? LOTS mentioned that the N87 will be LT operated - that would mean the first time since the N87 was introduced that it would have a different allocation to the N44 whilst at SW as they both use buses from the 87. The N44 will either use buses from the 77 or 88 instead.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2019 7:22:43 GMT
The bus stops have already been updated in Camden Town for the 88/C2.
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 7:33:22 GMT
The bus stops have already been updated in Camden Town for the 88/C2. Ridiculous seeing as there is another week to go!
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2019 7:57:41 GMT
Escpailly when the current 88 stops in Camden will be different to the new ones.
With the PVR now being 30 I wonder where the extras will come from.
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Post by WSD3 on Mar 23, 2019 8:20:21 GMT
Escpailly when the current 88 stops in Camden will be different to the new ones. With the PVR now being 30 I wonder where the extras will come from. [ The extra's will come from the 87 and 176. These two routes will swap buses with the 88. So in conclusion routes 87 and 176 will have routemasters and 88 will have EH''s.
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Post by thebusguy on Mar 23, 2019 8:20:49 GMT
I'm guessing LTs on the N87 is still not confirmed? LOTS mentioned that the N87 will be LT operated - that would mean the first time since the N87 was introduced that it would have a different allocation to the N44 whilst at SW as they both use buses from the 87. The N44 will either use buses from the 77 or 88 instead. Kingston won’t be an LT free zone anymore... that’s upsetting, yet good because we have something other than a Scania.
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Post by snowman on Mar 23, 2019 9:02:51 GMT
LOTS mentioned that the N87 will be LT operated - that would mean the first time since the N87 was introduced that it would have a different allocation to the N44 whilst at SW as they both use buses from the 87. The N44 will either use buses from the 77 or 88 instead. Kingston won’t be an LT free zone anymore... that’s upsetting, yet good because we have something other than a Scania. For reasons best known to TfL, the first one was exhibited at Kingston market place for a few hours. It has generally been free of them since (there has been some random driver traing runs passing through). I wasn't aware that Kingston is on any LT blind (but happy to be corrected), can't ever remember seeing it even on a scroll through, but possibly is at end of a blindset. Are the N87 workings unique, or could we see a LT arriving at Kingston on a day route ready to take up N87 (and reverse at end of night)
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Post by sid on Mar 23, 2019 9:19:27 GMT
Kingston won’t be an LT free zone anymore... that’s upsetting, yet good because we have something other than a Scania. For reasons best known to TfL, the first one was exhibited at Kingston market place for a few hours. It has generally been free of them since (there has been some random driver traing runs passing through). I wasn't aware that Kingston is on any LT blind (but happy to be corrected), can't ever remember seeing it even on a scroll through, but possibly is at end of a blindset. Are the N87 workings unique, or could we see a LT arriving at Kingston on a day route ready to take up N87 (and reverse at end of night) Is the N87 definitely converting to LT? It could continue with standard buses? Presumably if there are any odd workings of LT's on the 88 they will have to be curtailed at Camden Town?
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Post by george on Mar 23, 2019 9:37:24 GMT
For reasons best known to TfL, the first one was exhibited at Kingston market place for a few hours. It has generally been free of them since (there has been some random driver traing runs passing through). I wasn't aware that Kingston is on any LT blind (but happy to be corrected), can't ever remember seeing it even on a scroll through, but possibly is at end of a blindset. Are the N87 workings unique, or could we see a LT arriving at Kingston on a day route ready to take up N87 (and reverse at end of night) Is the N87 definitely converting to LT? It could continue with standard buses? Presumably if there are any odd workings of LT's on the 88 they will have to be curtailed at Camden Town? There's no problem a long the route but it might be like N11 where conventional buses appear every night.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2019 9:50:39 GMT
Where are the ones for the 176 coming from thou. Surely they current amount on the 88 isn't enough as the PVR is going up.
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