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Post by redexpress on Mar 23, 2019 13:34:00 GMT
Not that I can think of, maybe they will wait until some come free from the 11 but that would mean at the moment spares couldn't come from the 176. It's confusing lol The 87 currently has 24 EH's allocated for a PVR of 22 The 88 currently has 27 LT's allocated for a PVR of 23 The 87 needs max 25 LT's which leaves 2 left for the 176 but the 88 is rumoured to increase from 23 to 28 in terms of PVR If the PVR increase does happen, then 7 EH's will transfer from the 176 as we know an amount of EH's is definitely transferring from the 176 to the 88. What we don't know is how many LT's will transfer to the 176 however I suspect some will be from the 11 which has more spares than needed as well as from the 12 which also has extra spares. Londonbusroutes.net says the 88 PVR will increase to 30. This is the first time Robert has mentioned the new PVR for the route so he must have had it confirmed.
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Post by redexpress on Mar 23, 2019 13:37:55 GMT
Would be nice to have an LT working on the 131, but they could always give part of the allocation of the 131 to SW for the evenings, similar to what the 71 does, and in the mornings when deadrunning back to SW. Is the 131 crosslinked with the N87? It would be a bit uneconomical to have LTs stationed at AL otherwise. No - there are crosslinks between 87 and N87 (at both ends of the route) but the 131 is not involved. AL don't have anything to do with the N87 and SW don't have anything to do with the 131, so I can't see why Go-Ahead would want to add any unnecessary complication to their operations.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 13:43:39 GMT
The 87 currently has 24 EH's allocated for a PVR of 22 The 88 currently has 27 LT's allocated for a PVR of 23 The 87 needs max 25 LT's which leaves 2 left for the 176 but the 88 is rumoured to increase from 23 to 28 in terms of PVR If the PVR increase does happen, then 7 EH's will transfer from the 176 as we know an amount of EH's is definitely transferring from the 176 to the 88. What we don't know is how many LT's will transfer to the 176 however I suspect some will be from the 11 which has more spares than needed as well as from the 12 which also has extra spares. Londonbusroutes.net says the 88 PVR will increase to 30. This is the first time Robert has mentioned the new PVR for the route so he must have had it confirmed. Thanks, I should of looked at londonbusroutes in all honesty lol - so 10 EH’s will likely be procured from the 176 with my guess being all of the 67 reg & 1 66 reg.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2019 14:49:23 GMT
So basically 10 extra buses need to be found from TFL for the LTs to swap those out of the 176. What with the 415 needing some LTs aswell there must be a cut to a NB4L route to free them up.
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Post by snowman on Mar 23, 2019 15:21:26 GMT
So basically 10 extra buses need to be found from TFL for the LTs to swap those out of the 176. What with the 415 needing some LTs aswell there must be a cut to a NB4L route to free them up. I was also wondering about the maths behind this increase I assume the euroIV upgrade float is now released as ULEZ starts soon (say 4 or 5 buses) Perhaps bit less spare short term release another handful by simply scheduling more But like southlondonbus can’t work out where the others come from. Abellio can’t delay conversion of 415, as buses needed on 207 from 6 April
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Post by snowman on Mar 23, 2019 15:43:32 GMT
Is the 131 crosslinked with the N87? It would be a bit uneconomical to have LTs stationed at AL otherwise. No - there are crosslinks between 87 and N87 (at both ends of the route) but the 131 is not involved. AL don't have anything to do with the N87 and SW don't have anything to do with the 131, so I can't see why Go-Ahead would want to add any unnecessary complication to their operations. At the Southern end the 87 (Wandsworth) and N87 (Kingston) are about 6.5 miles (20 minutes) apart.
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Post by george on Mar 23, 2019 16:38:53 GMT
So basically 10 extra buses need to be found from TFL for the LTs to swap those out of the 176. What with the 415 needing some LTs aswell there must be a cut to a NB4L route to free them up. this may not go down well on here but IMO there are far too many buses allocated to the 38 some could come from there.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 17:13:35 GMT
So basically 10 extra buses need to be found from TFL for the LTs to swap those out of the 176. What with the 415 needing some LTs aswell there must be a cut to a NB4L route to free them up. For the 176, 2 LT's should be left over from the 87 & 88 swap, you could free up 3 LT's from the 11, 2 LT's from the 12 & 1 from the 453 which already makes 8 as I'm sure all those spares aren't particularly needed so if they followed that route, it only leaves two to find and being a partial allocation, they could just fill the last two vehicles with non LT's instead. For the 415, 6 LT's are needed as 4 were operating on the 415 before - some will become spare from the 3 & 159 after all.
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 23, 2019 17:20:53 GMT
I suppose the current C2 buses could be used on the 207 for a bit as they become spare next weekend and the 207 is gained a week later.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 23, 2019 17:23:03 GMT
I suppose the current C2 buses could be used on the 207 for a bit as they become spare next weekend and the 207 is gained a week later. Not a bad idea that in all honesty as the 414 can always carry on with it's 59 reg vehicles until whenever especially as the 414 is unaffected by the Central London ULEZ.
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Post by LVF_Admin on Mar 24, 2019 8:41:24 GMT
So basically 10 extra buses need to be found from TFL for the LTs to swap those out of the 176. What with the 415 needing some LTs aswell there must be a cut to a NB4L route to free them up. For the 176, 2 LT's should be left over from the 87 & 88 swap, you could free up 3 LT's from the 11, 2 LT's from the 12 & 1 from the 453 which already makes 8 as I'm sure all those spares aren't particularly needed so if they followed that route, it only leaves two to find and being a partial allocation, they could just fill the last two vehicles with non LT's instead. For the 415, 6 LT's are needed as 4 were operating on the 415 before - some will become spare from the 3 & 159 after all. There's already been an increase in EHs on the 12. I do wonder if there will be a move to mixed allocations on the 12/176
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Post by WSD3 on Mar 24, 2019 9:36:10 GMT
Londonbusroutes.net says the 88 PVR will increase to 30. This is the first time Robert has mentioned the new PVR for the route so he must have had it confirmed. Thanks, I should of looked at londonbusroutes in all honesty lol - so 10 EH’s will likely be procured from the 176 with my guess being all of the 67 reg & 1 66 reg. with this could all of the yy66*** and 1 of the 67 batch go to route 88
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Post by snowman on Mar 26, 2019 6:44:55 GMT
Although TfL managed to produce tender results yesterday, once again managed to miss its publication date for fortnightly bus changes document and London Service Permit. Both were due Monday pm, neither was updated
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 26, 2019 8:58:21 GMT
We keep thinking the 159 will supply buses for the 415 yet we have no date yet for the cut. Based on the 27 and 88 public announcements I guess we can expect 2 weeks or less notice for the change now.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 26, 2019 11:51:33 GMT
We keep thinking the 159 will supply buses for the 415 yet we have no date yet for the cut. Based on the 27 and 88 public announcements I guess we can expect 2 weeks or less notice for the change now. The only stand available will be the Conduit Street Stand should the change take place in the first week of April. Slightly more than the proposed Oxford Circus cut, it warranted its own display when approached from the South on the 15 and while the 3 was cut there it was even classified as Piccadilly Circus.
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