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Post by danorak on May 8, 2019 22:07:55 GMT
We've featured that list before so it's not new. The most telling thing there is how little has been done against those published deadlines. Some of the proposals haven't even reached consultation stage which means they are possibly the best part of a year away. And there's nothing there really that counterbalances the level of cuts in central London. It's all very weak.
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Post by snoggle on May 8, 2019 22:34:44 GMT
We've featured that list before so it's not new. The most telling thing there is how little has been done against those published deadlines. Some of the proposals haven't even reached consultation stage which means they are possibly the best part of a year away. And there's nothing there really that counterbalances the level of cuts in central London. It's all very weak. But there is no commitment for Outer London expansion to "compensate" for cuts elsewhere. The numbers very specifically do not do that. The only thing we've lost *for now* is the second planned tranche of huge cuts in Central London (really zones 1 and 2). Conveniently vanished the year before a Mayoral election but I fully expect them to re-emerge regardless of who wins in 2020.
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Post by redbus on May 8, 2019 22:49:06 GMT
We've featured that list before so it's not new. The most telling thing there is how little has been done against those published deadlines. Some of the proposals haven't even reached consultation stage which means they are possibly the best part of a year away. True Moreover what does it mean for other routes, what will be cut to compensate.
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Post by vjaska on May 8, 2019 23:05:07 GMT
We've featured that list before so it's not new. The most telling thing there is how little has been done against those published deadlines. Some of the proposals haven't even reached consultation stage which means they are possibly the best part of a year away. And there's nothing there really that counterbalances the level of cuts in central London. It's all very weak. Not only that but some are not improvements for Outer London at all. The 218, 306, 440 & E10 proposals all provide something (note the word 'something' rather than 'benefit) for Inner London boroughs like Ealing, Hammersmith & City & Brent. So the mayors hogwash about improving Outer London services becomes even less clear.
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Post by danorak on May 10, 2019 14:47:17 GMT
Next edition of the changes document is 'delayed until Tuesday 14 May'. This new approach seems to be going absolutely swimmingly.
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Post by thelondonthing on May 10, 2019 14:51:44 GMT
The latest Permanent Bus Changes document - which was supposed to be published weeks ago, and was already delayed - has been delayed again. The most recent commitment from TfL was that the new document would be published on the evening of 10 May 2019, i.e. today. Now, TfL has updated the page to say that it's not coming today after all: So now, we're promised the document next Tuesday. I don't see what the value is in TfL repeatedly - and voluntarily - committing themselves to deadlines that they can't keep. Edit: danorak beat me to it!
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Post by evergreenadam on May 10, 2019 17:24:37 GMT
And there's nothing there really that counterbalances the level of cuts in central London. It's all very weak. But there is no commitment for Outer London expansion to "compensate" for cuts elsewhere. The numbers very specifically do not do that. The only thing we've lost *for now* is the second planned tranche of huge cuts in Central London (really zones 1 and 2). Conveniently vanished the year before a Mayoral election but I fully expect them to re-emerge regardless of who wins in 2020. Do we know what routes the second tranche would cover?
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Post by southlondonbus on May 10, 2019 18:00:59 GMT
I would say around Holborn station and Aldwych due to planned roadworks bringing much disruption.
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Post by snoggle on May 10, 2019 18:18:08 GMT
But there is no commitment for Outer London expansion to "compensate" for cuts elsewhere. The numbers very specifically do not do that. The only thing we've lost *for now* is the second planned tranche of huge cuts in Central London (really zones 1 and 2). Conveniently vanished the year before a Mayoral election but I fully expect them to re-emerge regardless of who wins in 2020. Do we know what routes the second tranche would cover? I've not seen anything at route level. However we have seen the signs in changes already made. They are the move to single routes on key corridors, removal of perceived "overlaps, removal of so called "bus on bus" congestion. Future schemes like the Aldwych and Waterloo gyratory removal ones will take out some specific traffic movements and stand space which means routes will have to be cut further. The budget change for the current year and the apparent "decision" that the road and bus network has to live within a £750m "subsidy" are, I believe, temporary political expediencies. We will see more changes after May 2020 even if Khan is re-elected.
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Post by rif153 on May 10, 2019 19:13:57 GMT
I would say around Holborn station and Aldwych due to planned roadworks bringing much disruption. TFL have been slyly pulling buses out of Aldywch for the last few years. They have probably known for a while what WCC had a long term objective to pedstrianise the Strand hence why the 13 and 23 were removed with the 4 and 171 soon to follow. Likewise with TCR, isn't it convinient that just as the 2 way scheme is introduced two buses are removed from Tottenham Court Road, I think not and let us not forget the 10 and 25 were both removed I'm sure to in part mitigate the adverse effects of the 2 way TCR scheme. Ditto Holborn where the 25 has been removed with the 171 soon to follow and ooh look what a surprise TFL have plans to alter the road layout there too
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Post by southlondonbus on May 10, 2019 19:27:32 GMT
Had it gone to plan the 19 would have been removed from Tottenham Court Road aswell.
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Post by MetrolineGA1511 on May 11, 2019 15:13:28 GMT
How will the 125 get to Colindale? I wonder if a possible transfer to EW will be involved. There is no need for it to transfer to EW, also EW is full and wouldn't W be a better option considering it has space (once 232/266 move out) and also isn't far from Colindale. I can't see why it won't stay at PB though. Maybe routes 107 & 125 could swap garages, so 107 EW > PB and 125 PB > EW?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2019 16:51:10 GMT
There is no need for it to transfer to EW, also EW is full and wouldn't W be a better option considering it has space (once 232/266 move out) and also isn't far from Colindale. I can't see why it won't stay at PB though. Maybe routes 107 & 125 could swap garages, so 107 EW > PB and 125 PB > EW? PB-> Winchmore Hill = ~20min -> Colindale = ~25min -> Edgware = ~20min -> New Barnet = ~15min EW-> Winchmore Hill = ~30min -> Colindale = ~10min -> Edgware = 0min -> New Barnet = ~20min Looking at the approx. dead-run times above, it makes more sense to keep the 107 at EW, seeing as that's its starting point. The 125 would also be slightly better at EW, though I wouldn't remove another route in order to fit it in. Plus, I doubt they would want to introduce VWHs, another new unfamiliar type, into EW.
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Post by snowman on May 14, 2019 7:46:26 GMT
Next edition of the changes document is 'delayed until Tuesday 14 May'. This new approach seems to be going absolutely swimmingly. Anyone going to bet on if it actually appears this evening The TfL Board agenda (for meeting 22 May) should also appear today, I 100% expect the Board papers will not be delayed as someone important might realise that Quality is slipping, remind me, what was it Mike Brown said....
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Post by thelondonthing on May 14, 2019 11:44:59 GMT
The latest Permanent Bus Changes document - which was supposed to be published weeks ago, and was already delayed - has been delayed again. The most recent commitment from TfL was that the new document would be published on the evening of 10 May 2019, i.e. today. Now, TfL has updated the page to say that it's not coming today after all: So now, we're promised the document next Tuesday. I don't see what the value is in TfL repeatedly - and voluntarily - committing themselves to deadlines that they can't keep. Edit: danorak beat me to it! It should come as no surprise (especially to snowman!) that TfL has again delayed the release of the latest Permanent Bus Changes document. TfL previously said it would arrive today, after several delays; but now, it has revised the promised date of its release to "Thursday afternoon 16 May 2019 (delayed from Friday evening 10 May 2019)", completely glossing over its commitment to publish it today. I've lost track of the exact number of times that TfL has pushed the date back - I think it's 3 or 4 now. But it's also worth bearing in mind that, even before the delays affecting the latest document, the previous edition was published with substantial chunks of information missing, which TfL promised to cover with its next release. As things now stand, we haven't had an update for a month; the month-old information that we do have is incomplete; and - let's be honest - we don't really know when the next update will come. Given how many deadlines it's missed so far, one can't be expected to trust this new date that TfL has picked out of a hat.
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