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Post by John tuthill on Jul 12, 2019 9:58:37 GMT
Even 409 could be more suitable, to give some connection to the revised 209 that some passengers will be used to. Several other TFL routes defy logic in the numbering system. Routes 507, 521 and 549 are in the 5** series mostly used for temporary services. And the 607 is in the 6** series used for school routes, and really should have an X prefix to identify as an express route. The blue blinds used on the 607 are also unique, as these are not used on the X26 or X68. The 607 gets its number from the old tram service along the Uxbridge Road of the same number Sorry, order is: 7=tram, 607=Trollybus 207/207A=RM/RML
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Post by danorak on Jul 12, 2019 10:26:26 GMT
On the subject of numbers, I wonder why TfL has opted for 378. As a temporary service, like the 533, shouldn't it be in the 500 series? Am I missing some sort of connection here? I am guessing that TfL are seeing the 378 as a permanent service, and intend to retain it as a Mortlake/Barnes - Putney link if and when Hammersmith Bridge ever reopens to buses. That would make sense, advancing a plan already in the pipeline - perhaps it was intended as TfL's compromise response to the '22 to Barnes' campaign.
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Post by londonboy71 on Jul 12, 2019 15:42:41 GMT
Does anybody know if TFL actually read these forums?
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Post by 6HP502C on Jul 12, 2019 22:04:51 GMT
Does anybody know if TFL actually read these forums? I think it's a general thing that companies do take an interest on public commentary of their products or services.
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Post by george on Jul 13, 2019 19:58:58 GMT
Does anyone know if the 209/378 changes be on LOTS tomorrow? I noticed london buses.net was updated today but nothing was posted about it.
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Post by rm1422 on Jul 18, 2019 8:26:11 GMT
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Post by snowman on Jul 18, 2019 8:31:20 GMT
The odd thing is most start Monday 29th July (why not Monday 22nd) No idea on these routes have been chosen whilst other routes running times are not affected by lighter traffic Baffled by the 406 change, selected buses miss the Epsom Hospital - Epsom clock tower section, perhaps this allows pvr to be cut by 1 otherwise I cannot see how school holidays affect hospital usage. Normally the 406 is timed to alternate with 418 Tolworth-Kingston, but appears 418 isn't being changed
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Post by redexpress on Jul 18, 2019 12:16:16 GMT
The odd thing is most start Monday 29th July (why not Monday 22nd) No idea on these routes have been chosen whilst other routes running times are not affected by lighter traffic Baffled by the 406 change, selected buses miss the Epsom Hospital - Epsom clock tower section, perhaps this allows pvr to be cut by 1 otherwise I cannot see how school holidays affect hospital usage. Normally the 406 is timed to alternate with 418 Tolworth-Kingston, but appears 418 isn't being changed The Hospital journeys on the 406 are school journeys, extended to the Hospital to serve a nearby school. All this means is that during school holidays these journeys will terminate at the Clock Tower, just like the rest of the service.
The routes listed are all those that have a different public timetable during school holidays. Other routes may have school holiday schedules but keep the same timetable (obviously this can only apply to high-frequency routes), e.g. 65 has a school holiday schedule, but to the public it's just advertised as "every 6 minutes" so no need for a different timetable.
No idea why TfL have decided to draw attention to these holiday timetables now. None of these "changes" are new - this is the usual pattern during school holidays.
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Post by busaholic on Jul 18, 2019 13:17:16 GMT
The odd thing is most start Monday 29th July (why not Monday 22nd) No idea on these routes have been chosen whilst other routes running times are not affected by lighter traffic Baffled by the 406 change, selected buses miss the Epsom Hospital - Epsom clock tower section, perhaps this allows pvr to be cut by 1 otherwise I cannot see how school holidays affect hospital usage. Normally the 406 is timed to alternate with 418 Tolworth-Kingston, but appears 418 isn't being changed Some schools like to be 'different' and break later by a few days, or even a week. Long, long time ago but I went to such a school: used to drive me mad!
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Post by wirewiper on Jul 18, 2019 15:37:36 GMT
No, but on routes not classed as "high frequency" some timings will be significantly different for a number of weeks so it is useful to inform people. There does seem to be a large number of routes involved, so maybe this will at least go some way to addressing one of the biggest complaints on this Forum last year, that buses were being excessively regulated due to excessive running time during the school Summer Holiday period.
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Post by redexpress on Jul 18, 2019 19:59:56 GMT
No, but on routes not classed as "high frequency" some timings will be significantly different for a number of weeks so it is useful to inform people. There does seem to be a large number of routes involved, so maybe this will at least go some way to addressing one of the biggest complaints on this Forum last year, that buses were being excessively regulated due to excessive running time during the school Summer Holiday period. But nothing new is happening. These routes have had different school holiday timetables for ages. All that's changed is that TfL have suddenly decided to draw attention to the holiday timetables on their "permanent changes" page. Many routes still don't have different schedules for school holidays, and will continue to be excessively regulated as a result.
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Post by lundnah on Jul 19, 2019 10:01:29 GMT
The "Permanent Bus Changes" list now contains 81 changes, over half of which are school holiday tweaks and thus not permanent.
81!
This new presentation hides genuinely significant changes e.g. we have introduced a new route amid a sea of noise e.g. we have retimed one bus during the morning peak
It is not fit for purpose.
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Post by rif153 on Jul 19, 2019 12:31:06 GMT
The "Permanent Bus Changes" list now contains 81 changes, over half of which are school holiday tweaks and thus not permanent. 81! This new presentation hides genuinely significant changes e.g. we have introduced a new route amid a sea of noise e.g. we have retimed one bus during the morning peak It is not fit for purpose. I agree. I honestly think that TfL should at least sort changes into categories to navigate, minor summer holiday timetable changes aren't 'permanent,' and bombard the page, its an eyesore
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Post by danorak on Jul 19, 2019 12:38:22 GMT
The "Permanent Bus Changes" list now contains 81 changes, over half of which are school holiday tweaks and thus not permanent. 81! This new presentation hides genuinely significant changes e.g. we have introduced a new route amid a sea of noise e.g. we have retimed one bus during the morning peak It is not fit for purpose. There is already a 'temporary changes' webpage and school holiday tweaks would seem far better suited to that.
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Post by capitalomnibus on Jul 19, 2019 22:39:40 GMT
Does anybody know if TFL actually read these forums? Yes, there are certain people within TfL and many bus companies that do read these forums, although they do not reply, just observe...
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