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Post by busaholic on Nov 13, 2019 23:09:16 GMT
The original proposal in the Oxford Street consultation for the 7 was that it be cut back to Marble Arch, hence the surprise when it survived to Oxford Circus, but my suspicion was always that this situation would only apply until Crossrail starts. Given that Bond Street Crossrail station seems unlikely to open in the next three or four years, the 7 may prove to be safe for the duration for the link to Paddington. As for 'four Oxford Street bus routes only' being written in stone, I think that's unlikely. I don't believe the Drapers would be privy to TfL's innermost current thoughts on how many bus routes will survive on Oxford Street in the long term, so anything they have to say on the subject now will merely be regurgitation.The idea that Oxford Street would get special exemption to open stores on a Sunday until mid/late evening lives in fantasy land, as indeed may be much of the plan for the area. A slow death would appear much more feasible.
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Post by redbus on Nov 13, 2019 23:26:08 GMT
TfL consulted on it a while back, they already came to a decision about the 4 routes that will remain. Good luck for any cutbacks for the 94 to Marble Arch to actually happen as Westminster Council are involved in creating the new stand for the 94 in Marble Arch and it is the same group of people who have dropped the plans to pedestrianise Oxford Street And there is the key point, if you cut the 94 back to Marble Arch where will it stand? Either an existing stand needs to be freed up, or the proposed new one created. I think it is the lack of stand space that has saved the 94 from being cut to date - and I agree unlikely to be this side of the Mayoral election. TfL / RATP therefore had no choice but to order enough electric buses for its existing routing, unless they wished to either delay conversion to electric buses until a stand was available or not to do a complete conversion. If at some future date the 94 is hacked back to Marble Arch I feel sure there will be other electric routes coming in the future the buses made spare from the cut can go on.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 14, 2019 1:56:42 GMT
Good luck for any cutbacks for the 94 to Marble Arch to actually happen as Westminster Council are involved in creating the new stand for the 94 in Marble Arch and it is the same group of people who have dropped the plans to pedestrianise Oxford Street And there is the key point, if you cut the 94 back to Marble Arch where will it stand? Either an existing stand needs to be freed up, or the proposed new one created. I think it is the lack of stand space that has saved the 94 from being cut to date - and I agree unlikely to be this side of the Mayoral election. TfL / RATP therefore had no choice but to order enough electric buses for its existing routing, unless they wished to either delay conversion to electric buses until a stand was available or not to do a complete conversion. If at some future date the 94 is hacked back to Marble Arch I feel sure there will be other electric routes coming in the future the buses made spare from the cut can go on. There is a stand at Hyde Park Corner on Achilles Way on Park Lane - it's usually populated by a tow truck. Whilst accessing the stand is easier if heading northbound due to the direction of travel on Achilles Way, it is still not too difficult if heading southbound especially given 13's (and 82's before that) terminate at the Hilton Hotel which would be the last stop before running to the stand.
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Post by rif153 on Nov 14, 2019 7:41:34 GMT
Good luck for any cutbacks for the 94 to Marble Arch to actually happen as Westminster Council are involved in creating the new stand for the 94 in Marble Arch and it is the same group of people who have dropped the plans to pedestrianise Oxford Street And there is the key point, if you cut the 94 back to Marble Arch where will it stand? Either an existing stand needs to be freed up, or the proposed new one created. I think it is the lack of stand space that has saved the 94 from being cut to date - and I agree unlikely to be this side of the Mayoral election. TfL / RATP therefore had no choice but to order enough electric buses for its existing routing, unless they wished to either delay conversion to electric buses until a stand was available or not to do a complete conversion. If at some future date the 94 is hacked back to Marble Arch I feel sure there will be other electric routes coming in the future the buses made spare from the cut can go on. One possibility could be to cut the 94 and 159 back at the same time; cutting the 159 back will free up stand space for the 94. The issue is that if the 94 takes the 159’s stand, then that means buses would probably terminate at Bayswater Road, a pathetic terminus. I don’t particularly like the North Row stand idea, but having the final stop on the ‘right’ side of the roundabout at Marble Arch.
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Post by snowman on Nov 14, 2019 18:29:08 GMT
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Post by WSD3 on Nov 14, 2019 18:46:15 GMT
which operator is ruining the route? EDIT: just check on the tfl who runs your bus page and it is run by London general.
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Post by rif153 on Nov 14, 2019 18:50:13 GMT
which operator is ruining the route? It hasn't run yet so I don't think any operator has ruined the route
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Post by george on Nov 14, 2019 19:42:47 GMT
I thought TfL temporary routes start in the 500s?
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 14, 2019 21:39:49 GMT
I didn't think anything would come of this temporary route. I know the local MP said she was aim for a route to Morden station after the 280 was diverted down Wandle road. The 280 already provides a link to Mitcham now and it's not a million miles to walk to either end of Wandle road to the 118 or 201 to Morden.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 15, 2019 0:51:54 GMT
I didn't think anything would come of this temporary route. I know the local MP said she was aim for a route to Morden station after the 280 was diverted down Wandle road. The 280 already provides a link to Mitcham now and it's not a million miles to walk to either end of Wandle road to the 118 or 201 to Morden. Where is the 118 diverting through - Morden Road?
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Post by southlondonbus on Nov 15, 2019 6:38:10 GMT
Yes. Same as the 201 routeing. The 280 then does Morden Road then back on itself along Wandle Road where as the original diversion was along St Helier Avenue and missed out all of Bishopsford Road.
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Post by snowman on Nov 15, 2019 19:50:04 GMT
Just updated by TfL All the West London changes on 7 December now included (or Friday night 6th, or Monday 9th for school routes) 140, X140, 186, 218, 224, 228, 266, 278, 306, 391, 440, 533, H9, H10, N140, N266, 697, 698 Also reductions on 52 tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/permanent-bus-changesLots to discuss, and a map content.tfl.gov.uk/west-london-changes-7-december.pdf
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Post by rif153 on Nov 15, 2019 20:06:44 GMT
Just updated by TfL All the West London changes on 7 December now included (or Friday night 6th, or Monday 9th for school routes) 140, X140, 186, 218, 224, 228, 266, 278, 306, 391, 440, 533, H9, H10, N140, N266, 697, 698 Also reductions on 52 tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/permanent-bus-changesLots to discuss, and a map content.tfl.gov.uk/west-london-changes-7-december.pdfOh dear. TfL really should just put all the West London changes together, having them in the list of all upcoming changes numerically is an eyesore to say the least. I have to say that spider map isn't great either, although compared to the Croydon changes one, which nothing will ever be worse than, it looks half decent.
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Post by george on Nov 15, 2019 20:07:47 GMT
Just updated by TfL All the West London changes on 7 December now included (or Friday night 6th, or Monday 9th for school routes) 140, X140, 186, 218, 224, 228, 266, 278, 306, 391, 440, 533, H9, H10, N140, N266, 697, 698 Also reductions on 52 tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/permanent-bus-changesLots to discuss, and a map content.tfl.gov.uk/west-london-changes-7-december.pdfNot a fan of the 533 change, people on the 72 will have to get off and go upstairs to change for a 533 if there's one near whereas before they could use the same stop. As the 533 basically replaces part of the 72 having those two routes serve the same stop worked well.
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Post by rj131 on Nov 15, 2019 22:02:35 GMT
Just updated by TfL All the West London changes on 7 December now included (or Friday night 6th, or Monday 9th for school routes) 140, X140, 186, 218, 224, 228, 266, 278, 306, 391, 440, 533, H9, H10, N140, N266, 697, 698 Also reductions on 52 tfl.gov.uk/modes/buses/permanent-bus-changesLots to discuss, and a map content.tfl.gov.uk/west-london-changes-7-december.pdfWow I’m surprised the 52 cut is that small, only to 8-9 minutes. Considering it’s a monster PVR cut from 24 to 18 I was expecting the frequency to be a lot less
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