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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 7, 2019 10:54:29 GMT
That will never stop. When I drove the 607 people were getting "caught out" in this manner all the time, though I identified quite a few of those people to be chancers who knew exactly what they were doing! Pity only half the allocation at the time had the ability to override passenger operation of the emergency door controls. Yesterday I saw a chancer use the emergency door controls to get off a 607 despite not being close a 607 stop, it’s pitiful this kind of thing occurs Oh yes there was a lot of that. But you'd get people that had been riding for quite a long way suddenly spring up and ask to be let off, protesting just a bit too much that they didn't know it doesn't stop at their stop. Some got angry when the bus didn't stop at their stop suggesting they were genuinely unaware. What I found amusing on that route was just how quickly other passengers sprung to the defence of the driver and shouted down anyone who made noise when their stop wasn't served! There was other interesting behaviour I observed. - Some people would rather pack themselves into a crowded 607 than board an empty 207.
- Some people would also rather be crowded off and wait an extra 10 minutes for the next 607 than board an empty 207.
- However a lot of people would take the first bus that turns up, especially at Shepherd's Bush station.
- The 427s would race the 607 and it was pretty rare to overtake one, especially in the evenings. They were well aware the 607 lost a lot of time dwelling at stops due to having many more people boarding and alighting and took advantage.
- People run up and down the Uxbridge Road if they see a 607 coming. I've never seen people doing that in such numbers for any other route - it's a bit of a safety hazard really but seems to be a cultural thing
I guess I found it interesting as these limited stop routes don't really offer a huge time saving. But people value other things like being jostled around less to make way for other passengers. Only time will tell of the people of the A312 will love the X140 as much as the people of the Uxbridge Road love the 607!
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Post by met120 on Dec 7, 2019 14:32:14 GMT
Yesterday I saw a chancer use the emergency door controls to get off a 607 despite not being close a 607 stop, it’s pitiful this kind of thing occurs Oh yes there was a lot of that. But you'd get people that had been riding for quite a long way suddenly spring up and ask to be let off, protesting just a bit too much that they didn't know it doesn't stop at their stop. Some got angry when the bus didn't stop at their stop suggesting they were genuinely unaware. What I found amusing on that route was just how quickly other passengers sprung to the defence of the driver and shouted down anyone who made noise when their stop wasn't served! There was other interesting behaviour I observed. - Some people would rather pack themselves into a crowded 607 than board an empty 207.
- Some people would also rather be crowded off and wait an extra 10 minutes for the next 607 than board an empty 207.
- However a lot of people would take the first bus that turns up, especially at Shepherd's Bush station.
- The 427s would race the 607 and it was pretty rare to overtake one, especially in the evenings. They were well aware the 607 lost a lot of time dwelling at stops due to having many more people boarding and alighting and took advantage.
- People run up and down the Uxbridge Road if they see a 607 coming. I've never seen people doing that in such numbers for any other route - it's a bit of a safety hazard really but seems to be a cultural thing
I guess I found it interesting as these limited stop routes don't really offer a huge time saving. But people value other things like being jostled around less to make way for other passengers. Only time will tell of the people of the A312 will love the X140 as much as the people of the Uxbridge Road love the 607! Everything you said is pretty much accurate. Passengers love to squeeze themselves onto the 607 and 427 while the 207 is pretty much empty or lightly used. Particularly between Southall and Ealing. As you have said the time saving is pretty much small. Three weeks ago a particularly 607 got fed up when some passengers tried to squeeze on at West Ealing despite it being heavily packed when it pulled up to the stop. Two of them were only going to Christchurch, we sat at the stop for 4 minutes and a 483, E8 and 207 bypassed us and got to Ealing Broadway first.
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Post by goldenarrow on Dec 7, 2019 16:48:01 GMT
It would seem that the alterations involving routes 140, N140, X140, 278, H9 and H10 proved to much for the spider maps given that almost all the areas covered by the altered routes have been pulled en-masse! Harrow is only left with a mere five area maps. Only areas in Hillingdon that have been updated are Heathrow Central , Heathrow North and Hayes. All other areas with changes have been pulled.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 7, 2019 17:25:13 GMT
Oh yes there was a lot of that. But you'd get people that had been riding for quite a long way suddenly spring up and ask to be let off, protesting just a bit too much that they didn't know it doesn't stop at their stop. Some got angry when the bus didn't stop at their stop suggesting they were genuinely unaware. What I found amusing on that route was just how quickly other passengers sprung to the defence of the driver and shouted down anyone who made noise when their stop wasn't served! There was other interesting behaviour I observed. - Some people would rather pack themselves into a crowded 607 than board an empty 207.
- Some people would also rather be crowded off and wait an extra 10 minutes for the next 607 than board an empty 207.
- However a lot of people would take the first bus that turns up, especially at Shepherd's Bush station.
- The 427s would race the 607 and it was pretty rare to overtake one, especially in the evenings. They were well aware the 607 lost a lot of time dwelling at stops due to having many more people boarding and alighting and took advantage.
- People run up and down the Uxbridge Road if they see a 607 coming. I've never seen people doing that in such numbers for any other route - it's a bit of a safety hazard really but seems to be a cultural thing
I guess I found it interesting as these limited stop routes don't really offer a huge time saving. But people value other things like being jostled around less to make way for other passengers. Only time will tell of the people of the A312 will love the X140 as much as the people of the Uxbridge Road love the 607! Everything you said is pretty much accurate. Passengers love to squeeze themselves onto the 607 and 427 while the 207 is pretty much empty or lightly used. Particularly between Southall and Ealing. As you have said the time saving is pretty much small. Three weeks ago a particularly 607 got fed up when some passengers tried to squeeze on at West Ealing despite it being heavily packed when it pulled up to the stop. Two of them were only going to Christchurch, we sat at the stop for 4 minutes and a 483, E8 and 207 bypassed us and got to Ealing Broadway first. I agree the time saving is minimal. I only use the 607 if its the first bus as I don't deem it worth waiting for a lot of the time, if you have a short wait for the 607 its worth waiting for but often the 607 is ironically slower due to the painfully long dwell times and how overcrowded the route gets. I don't understand people who wait for a 607 for ten minutes to go a short distance such as Acton-Shepherd's Bush which is often done faster on a 207 if there's no wait for the latter.
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Post by evergreenadam on Dec 8, 2019 17:44:51 GMT
Oh yes there was a lot of that. But you'd get people that had been riding for quite a long way suddenly spring up and ask to be let off, protesting just a bit too much that they didn't know it doesn't stop at their stop. Some got angry when the bus didn't stop at their stop suggesting they were genuinely unaware. What I found amusing on that route was just how quickly other passengers sprung to the defence of the driver and shouted down anyone who made noise when their stop wasn't served! There was other interesting behaviour I observed. - Some people would rather pack themselves into a crowded 607 than board an empty 207.
- Some people would also rather be crowded off and wait an extra 10 minutes for the next 607 than board an empty 207.
- However a lot of people would take the first bus that turns up, especially at Shepherd's Bush station.
- The 427s would race the 607 and it was pretty rare to overtake one, especially in the evenings. They were well aware the 607 lost a lot of time dwelling at stops due to having many more people boarding and alighting and took advantage.
- People run up and down the Uxbridge Road if they see a 607 coming. I've never seen people doing that in such numbers for any other route - it's a bit of a safety hazard really but seems to be a cultural thing
I guess I found it interesting as these limited stop routes don't really offer a huge time saving. But people value other things like being jostled around less to make way for other passengers. Only time will tell of the people of the A312 will love the X140 as much as the people of the Uxbridge Road love the 607! Everything you said is pretty much accurate. Passengers love to squeeze themselves onto the 607 and 427 while the 207 is pretty much empty or lightly used. Particularly between Southall and Ealing. As you have said the time saving is pretty much small. Three weeks ago a particularly 607 got fed up when some passengers tried to squeeze on at West Ealing despite it being heavily packed when it pulled up to the stop. Two of them were only going to Christchurch, we sat at the stop for 4 minutes and a 483, E8 and 207 bypassed us and got to Ealing Broadway first. Interesting that the 427 is to be diverted at Southall Broadway to Southall Station. Perhaps TfL also feel that there is enough slack in the 207 to compensate for the loss of the 427 between Southall and Acton.
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Post by rif153 on Dec 8, 2019 17:50:11 GMT
Everything you said is pretty much accurate. Passengers love to squeeze themselves onto the 607 and 427 while the 207 is pretty much empty or lightly used. Particularly between Southall and Ealing. As you have said the time saving is pretty much small. Three weeks ago a particularly 607 got fed up when some passengers tried to squeeze on at West Ealing despite it being heavily packed when it pulled up to the stop. Two of them were only going to Christchurch, we sat at the stop for 4 minutes and a 483, E8 and 207 bypassed us and got to Ealing Broadway first. Interesting that the 427 is to be diverted at Southall Broadway to Southall Station. Perhaps TfL also feel that there is enough slack in the 207 to compensate for the loss of the 427 between Southall and Acton. I think its because TfL think enough people will use the 427 and get on Crossrail at Southall to take pressure off the Uxbridge Road corridor, with a decrease in people flocking to Ealing Broadway for rail services. A sizeable portion of the Uxbridge Road already has routes connecting to Hayes & Harlington with the 278 and H98 so when the 427 cutback goes ahead, people on that stretch will be spoilt for choice for options to reach Crossrail.
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Post by rj131 on Dec 8, 2019 21:26:25 GMT
I wonder how much frantic bell ringing there will be on the X140 in the first few days. Will take passengers time to adjust to a new express route. That will never stop. When I drove the 607 people were getting "caught out" in this manner all the time, though I identified quite a few of those people to be chancers who knew exactly what they were doing! Pity only half the allocation at the time had the ability to override passenger operation of the emergency door controls. Ive been on plenty of buses (particularly if the bus is stuck in traffic and not near a bus stop causing passengers to become impatient) where they press the emergency door controls to get off. How were you able to override passengers pressing the emergency door controls and which buses were they?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Dec 8, 2019 21:57:06 GMT
That will never stop. When I drove the 607 people were getting "caught out" in this manner all the time, though I identified quite a few of those people to be chancers who knew exactly what they were doing! Pity only half the allocation at the time had the ability to override passenger operation of the emergency door controls. Ive been on plenty of buses (particularly if the bus is stuck in traffic and not near a bus stop causing passengers to become impatient) where they press the emergency door controls to get off. How were you able to override passengers pressing the emergency door controls and which buses were they? I think it's just a case of how quick the driver closes the door again. People on the EL1 often have a habit of doing the emergency door control trick at Barking Station as the stop for that route is slightly further down past the station as opposed to the other ELT routes. The traffic is always abysmal there and people often tend to get paranoid over missing their train when they've been sitting outside the station for ages. There's been multiple times where people have just whacked the emergency control on the door all the way at the back just for the driver to close it and someone else to do it again until everyone ends up alighting sooner or later. Once it happened so much that the door started just opening and closing randomly and the bus was moving while this was going on. Was really dangerous, I'm surprised the bus even continued in service after that malfunction. Just shows that the traffic is getting abysmal (not just in Barking) to a point where people don't even care that much about their personal safety.
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Post by kenmet on Dec 8, 2019 22:03:51 GMT
That will never stop. When I drove the 607 people were getting "caught out" in this manner all the time, though I identified quite a few of those people to be chancers who knew exactly what they were doing! Pity only half the allocation at the time had the ability to override passenger operation of the emergency door controls. Ive been on plenty of buses (particularly if the bus is stuck in traffic and not near a bus stop causing passengers to become impatient) where they press the emergency door controls to get off. How were you able to override passengers pressing the emergency door controls and which buses were they? I've also seen quite a few passengers use the emergency door controls, on some buses the driver can override it by holding the door close button in the cab but then some determined passengers will open the emergency door.
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 8, 2019 22:52:29 GMT
That will never stop. When I drove the 607 people were getting "caught out" in this manner all the time, though I identified quite a few of those people to be chancers who knew exactly what they were doing! Pity only half the allocation at the time had the ability to override passenger operation of the emergency door controls. Ive been on plenty of buses (particularly if the bus is stuck in traffic and not near a bus stop causing passengers to become impatient) where they press the emergency door controls to get off. How were you able to override passengers pressing the emergency door controls and which buses were they? The Enviro 400s, press and hold the door open/close button as soon as the passenger operates the emergency control. The VWs, much as I loved them the close button won't work unless the doors are fully open. The VPs, I would be watching the gangway mirror and press and hold the door close button when I could see someone was thinking about pressing the emergency button. More times I would try to discourage the practice by rolling up to traffic lights slowly rather than approaching at normal speed then stopping for longer.
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Post by First Hayes on Dec 9, 2019 0:46:29 GMT
Ive been on plenty of buses (particularly if the bus is stuck in traffic and not near a bus stop causing passengers to become impatient) where they press the emergency door controls to get off. How were you able to override passengers pressing the emergency door controls and which buses were they? The Enviro 400s, press and hold the door open/close button as soon as the passenger operates the emergency control. The VWs, much as I loved them the close button won't work unless the doors are fully open. The VPs, I would be watching the gangway mirror and press and hold the door close button when I could see someone was thinking about pressing the emergency button. More times I would try to discourage the practice by rolling up to traffic lights slowly rather than approaching at normal speed then stopping for longer. SN’s Have The Best Emergency Button OverRide System...... Never Has A Passenger Successfully Left My 207 Using The Emergency ‘Air Dump’ Button Looooooool
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Post by junaid151000 on Dec 10, 2019 14:01:03 GMT
i saw some bus stops on madley road, possible 112 route change???
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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2019 14:34:36 GMT
i saw some bus stops on madley road, possible 112 route change??? Yes indeed you're right, change should be happening soon
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Post by redbus on Dec 10, 2019 14:49:08 GMT
Ive been on plenty of buses (particularly if the bus is stuck in traffic and not near a bus stop causing passengers to become impatient) where they press the emergency door controls to get off. How were you able to override passengers pressing the emergency door controls and which buses were they? The Enviro 400s, press and hold the door open/close button as soon as the passenger operates the emergency control. The VWs, much as I loved them the close button won't work unless the doors are fully open. The VPs, I would be watching the gangway mirror and press and hold the door close button when I could see someone was thinking about pressing the emergency button. More times I would try to discourage the practice by rolling up to traffic lights slowly rather than approaching at normal speed then stopping for longer. But surely if a passenger presses the emergency door open button and gets out, any injury or issue would be down to the passenger and be 100% their fault, or am I wrong?
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Post by 6HP502C on Dec 10, 2019 19:04:04 GMT
But surely if a passenger presses the emergency door open button and gets out, any injury or issue would be down to the passenger and be 100% their fault, or am I wrong? It would still be a headache to deal with - curtailing the bus, giving a report to the ambulance or police, then filling out an incident report and spending time on the phone to the insurers back at base. A few times people have opened the back doors when the bus was moving at a fair pace and I stopped. Some drivers carry on as normal to the next stop but too risky for my liking. I prayed nobody would try that one when I drove one of those whiny 51 plate DPS' on the C1 - those things stopped on a penny if the back doors were opened when in motion!
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