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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 1, 2024 17:50:30 GMT
As are numerous others. Are these new journeys a part of the Heathrow initiative to get more shift workers to use buses by supporting them at such hours? We now have a 459 from the otherwise almost unserved Richings Park area in the middle of the night and several longer-distance services comprising just one or two one-way trips to arrive at Heathrow by 04.00. Heathrow Airport have apparently provided funding towards the extra early morning journeys on route 278. What about relieving the early morning crowding approaching Heathrow on the N9 and 482!
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Post by southlondonbus on Mar 14, 2024 5:06:14 GMT
From Saturday the R68 and R70 return to their original terminals.
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Post by sdaniel on Mar 16, 2024 12:39:28 GMT
91 will extend to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands
123 will be curtailed to Turnpike Lane Station with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays.
232 will be rerouted/curtailed to a new termination spot in Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands) [no longer serving Wood Green High Road] with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays.
N91 will be rerouted to run through Haringey Heartlands (withdrawn at Wood Green High Road)
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Post by evergreenadam on Mar 16, 2024 12:57:00 GMT
From Saturday the R68 and R70 return to their original terminals. Yes, TfL website yet to be updated!
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Post by mondraker275 on Mar 16, 2024 17:20:34 GMT
91 will extend to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands 123 will be curtailed to Turnpike Lane Station with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. 232 will be rerouted/curtailed to a new termination spot in Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands) [no longer serving Wood Green High Road] with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. N91 will be rerouted to run through Haringey Heartlands (withdrawn at Wood Green High Road) I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123.
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 17, 2024 10:48:58 GMT
91 will extend to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands 123 will be curtailed to Turnpike Lane Station with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. 232 will be rerouted/curtailed to a new termination spot in Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands) [no longer serving Wood Green High Road] with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. N91 will be rerouted to run through Haringey Heartlands (withdrawn at Wood Green High Road) I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123. From what I’ve noticed with the SL2, it’s unreliable, the traffic between Barking & Ilford is always awful. Whenever I use the 169 or EL1 on that section I always just get out early & walk, I end up beating the bus to Ilford by about 10 mins.
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 17, 2024 10:50:08 GMT
91 will extend to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands 123 will be curtailed to Turnpike Lane Station with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. 232 will be rerouted/curtailed to a new termination spot in Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands) [no longer serving Wood Green High Road] with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. N91 will be rerouted to run through Haringey Heartlands (withdrawn at Wood Green High Road) I think tfl should have kept the 123 as it is now & extend the 67 towards New Southgate to help out the 221
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Post by ADH45258 on Mar 17, 2024 11:55:53 GMT
I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123. From what I’ve noticed with the SL2, it’s unreliable, the traffic between Barking & Ilford is always awful. Whenever I use the 169 or EL1 on that section I always just get out early & walk, I end up beating the bus to Ilford by about 10 mins. Since the SL2 is non-stop between Barking and Ilford, would there be any advantage in going via the North Circular on this section instead? Or is that just as congested?
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Post by bk10mfe on Mar 17, 2024 12:49:22 GMT
From what I’ve noticed with the SL2, it’s unreliable, the traffic between Barking & Ilford is always awful. Whenever I use the 169 or EL1 on that section I always just get out early & walk, I end up beating the bus to Ilford by about 10 mins. Since the SL2 is non-stop between Barking and Ilford, would there be any advantage in going via the North Circular on this section instead? Or is that just as congested? A406 gets congested as well & it would require the SL2 to do a double run around Barking. I have thought about rerouting the SL2 via Longbridge Drive to Barking bus garage, then the 145’s LOR to Ilford, possibly serving some different bus stops around Ilford town centre.
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Post by sdaniel on Mar 17, 2024 13:13:47 GMT
91 will extend to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands 123 will be curtailed to Turnpike Lane Station with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. 232 will be rerouted/curtailed to a new termination spot in Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands) [no longer serving Wood Green High Road] with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. N91 will be rerouted to run through Haringey Heartlands (withdrawn at Wood Green High Road) I think tfl should have kept the 123 as it is now & extend the 67 towards New Southgate to help out the 221 Or they could have split 121 into 2 separate routes. 67 extending to Oakwood and 121 running between Oakwood and Enfield Island Village. There were so many alternatives rather than cutting the 123 to Turnpike Lane, they should’ve got more people to take part or think of another solution.
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Post by sdaniel on Mar 17, 2024 13:17:18 GMT
I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123. From what I’ve noticed with the SL2, it’s unreliable, the traffic between Barking & Ilford is always awful. Whenever I use the 169 or EL1 on that section I always just get out early & walk, I end up beating the bus to Ilford by about 10 mins. You’re right, I took the SL2 once from North Woolwich to Walthamstow Central and I must say that between Barking and Ilford, the traffic is lengthy. Moreover between Ilford and Walthamstow Central, the route is actually quite fast.
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Post by WH241 on Mar 17, 2024 13:28:09 GMT
From what I’ve noticed with the SL2, it’s unreliable, the traffic between Barking & Ilford is always awful. Whenever I use the 169 or EL1 on that section I always just get out early & walk, I end up beating the bus to Ilford by about 10 mins. Since the SL2 is non-stop between Barking and Ilford, would there be any advantage in going via the North Circular on this section instead? Or is that just as congested? I appreciate this response might seem a bit off but it’s comments like this that frustrate me. I have posted countless times about the congestion on the A406 at Ilford is just as bad as Ilford Lane most of the time. It does make me feel like what I contribute is not listened to or just ignored. I had similar the other day when I posted about the 91 using the existing buses when it’s extended only for another member to post a reply under mine with slightly different wording.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 17, 2024 14:13:51 GMT
From what I’ve noticed with the SL2, it’s unreliable, the traffic between Barking & Ilford is always awful. Whenever I use the 169 or EL1 on that section I always just get out early & walk, I end up beating the bus to Ilford by about 10 mins. You’re right, I took the SL2 once from North Woolwich to Walthamstow Central and I must say that between Barking and Ilford, the traffic is lengthy. Moreover between Ilford and Walthamstow Central, the route is actually quite fast. The SL2 seems to be a route of three sections Walthamstow to Ilford: Effectively just an X123 apart from the left turn into Walthamstow. Certainly going to be a well used section Ilford to Barking: Potentially the busiest section on a per mile basis, however there seems to be resistance from pax moving from the EL1. I would imagine it's down to many people using the Ilford Lane stops and coupled with the fact that due to the road's narrowness and the hard work involved for buses to overtake each other that if an EL1 or 169 comes first you're better off sticking with it. Barking to North Woolwich: Easily going to be the least used section. Would imagine most usage will be people just attempting to get to Ilford for shopping needs, but Gallions Reach caters to them locally as it is. The issue between Barking and Ilford via South Park Drive isn't South Park drive itself, but the traffic going down Winston Way to get to Green Lane, then heading down Green Lane itself. South Park Drive is usually quiet but then you need to head down Longbridge Road again. Ilford Lane while blocked will probably be faster on most occasions.
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Post by vjaska on Mar 17, 2024 15:00:15 GMT
I appreciate this response might seem a bit off but it’s comments like this that frustrate me. I have posted countless times about the congestion on the A406 at Ilford is just as bad as Ilford Lane most of the time. It does make me feel like what I contribute is not listened to or just ignored. I had similar the other day when I posted about the 91 using the existing buses when it’s extended only for another member to post a reply under mine with slightly different wording. Oh bless ya. For your own sake, please leave him alone - I’m tired of this sort of thing on here and, whilst I’m sick of him harassing me constantly when I’ve already asked on numerous times to stop replying to me, this sort of comment doesn’t help either. I’ve got no problem with you and I personally think your an important part of this place but don’t get dragged into this childish nonsense & game playing that goes on here
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Post by enviroPB on Mar 17, 2024 15:59:03 GMT
91 will extend to Wood Green via Haringey Heartlands 123 will be curtailed to Turnpike Lane Station with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. 232 will be rerouted/curtailed to a new termination spot in Wood Green (Haringey Heartlands) [no longer serving Wood Green High Road] with a possible frequency increase every evening and on Sundays. N91 will be rerouted to run through Haringey Heartlands (withdrawn at Wood Green High Road) I think they will see what happens with SL2 before increasing frequency to 123. Sorry to disappoint you, but given the SL2 is here to stay there'll be no frequency increase on the 123. It'll get chopped to Turnpike Lane, usage on both ends of the route will decrease and thus the justification of 5bph during the week. Similar scenario with the 34, 140, and 183, I don't know why people believe the 123 is safe. One can also argue the PVR increase in the SL7 was part funded by the reduction in the 213 which parallels it. Once the SL2 is established with passengers, there will be cuts to the 123, 366 and EL1. Paul needs to be paid and Peter's looking quite wealthy at the moment...
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