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Post by sid on Nov 20, 2015 15:13:02 GMT
It's not just London, one way systems are being removed all over the country and good riddance to most of them as far as I'm concerned More fool to those local authorities who remove them! Well that's your opinion, clearly many people think otherwise
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Post by Ted Barclay on Nov 20, 2015 19:17:34 GMT
The problem is that I've not seen any evidence to suggest that one way systems are poor at keeping traffic moving - it's one way systems like these that help keep traffic moving. Same as the ones in Archway and Wandsworth. I can only see traffic get much more congested when these schemes are intregated.. Is there a (insert your own expletive) at TFL aka To**ers For London, who has an aversion to gyratorys? Vauxhall was initiated in 1950, and apart from the new bus station, seemed to be working OK for 60 odd years. As has been said, Aldgate, Archway, TCR,Wandsworth and the Elephant kept the traffic moving. My only grouch was there was not better 'policing' of the Wandsworth west bound leading up to Putney. Some traders would be seen parking all day. I'm old enough to remember when both the Wandsworth and TCR were introduced in the 1960's it was to improve traffic flow. What I wonder are the hidden costs encountered thru all the upheavals? Extra fuel, late deliveries etc. The Vauxhall one-way system started in 1938
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 20, 2015 20:25:42 GMT
Is there a (insert your own expletive) at TFL aka To**ers For London, who has an aversion to gyratorys? Vauxhall was initiated in 1950, and apart from the new bus station, seemed to be working OK for 60 odd years. As has been said, Aldgate, Archway, TCR,Wandsworth and the Elephant kept the traffic moving. My only grouch was there was not better 'policing' of the Wandsworth west bound leading up to Putney. Some traders would be seen parking all day. I'm old enough to remember when both the Wandsworth and TCR were introduced in the 1960's it was to improve traffic flow. What I wonder are the hidden costs encountered thru all the upheavals? Extra fuel, late deliveries etc. The Vauxhall one-way system started in 1938 You're absolutely right, my mistake I looked at a map, and misread it. "Parry Street)a new street) was opened to traffic on 3rd April 1938 and on 3rd May 1938 tramcars commenced using the new tracks through the former station yard." (From Victoria and Lambeth Tramways by Robert J Harley Middleton Press)
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Post by snoggle on Nov 24, 2015 13:44:52 GMT
TfL have launched an updated consultation on the Vauxhall Gyratory scheme. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/vauxhall-crossThere is a lot of info including detailed maps showing how routes would run through the reworked road network. I've only looked at route 2/N2 and note that it won't be going via the bus station meaning longer, less convenient interchange. Routes crossing Vauxhall Bridge are split across several stops and to Victoria is also split with some distance between stops. Madness. Looks like a right old horrible mess split in half with an access road meaning people have to dice with vehicles whereas the current design has very little conflict with moving vehicles. Who on earth thinks this is better than what we have now needs their head examining.
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Post by vjaska on Nov 24, 2015 14:31:43 GMT
TfL have launched an updated consultation on the Vauxhall Gyratory scheme. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/vauxhall-crossThere is a lot of info including detailed maps showing how routes would run through the reworked road network. I've only looked at route 2/N2 and note that it won't be going via the bus station meaning longer, less convenient interchange. Routes crossing Vauxhall Bridge are split across several stops and to Victoria is also split with some distance between stops. Madness. Looks like a right old horrible mess split in half with an access road meaning people have to dice with vehicles whereas the current design has very little conflict with moving vehicles. Who on earth thinks this is better than what we have now needs their head examining. I'm sorry but I hope people now realise just how utterly crap this proposal is. Like I said before, Vauxhall works fine as it is so don't fix what isn't broken!
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 24, 2015 14:36:43 GMT
TfL have launched an updated consultation on the Vauxhall Gyratory scheme. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/vauxhall-crossThere is a lot of info including detailed maps showing how routes would run through the reworked road network. I've only looked at route 2/N2 and note that it won't be going via the bus station meaning longer, less convenient interchange. Routes crossing Vauxhall Bridge are split across several stops and to Victoria is also split with some distance between stops. Madness. Looks like a right old horrible mess split in half with an access road meaning people have to dice with vehicles whereas the current design has very little conflict with moving vehicles. Who on earth thinks this is better than what we have now needs their head examining. I'm sorry but I hope people now realise just how utterly crap this proposal is. Like I said before, Vauxhall works fine as it is so don't fix what isn't broken! But what would the to**ers at TFL do all day if they couldn't screw every junction/gyratory up?
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Post by Unorm on Nov 24, 2015 16:07:47 GMT
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Post by John tuthill on Nov 24, 2015 16:33:19 GMT
Don't give them ideas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! They'll put an underpass North to South with ATS where it cuts thru' the existing, and turn the existing gyratory into a velodrome.
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Post by LX09FBJ on Nov 24, 2015 16:55:26 GMT
Forget that! It looks like Arriva has won the 185... ...with existing DLAs!
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Post by sid on Nov 24, 2015 17:08:52 GMT
TfL have launched an updated consultation on the Vauxhall Gyratory scheme. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/vauxhall-crossThere is a lot of info including detailed maps showing how routes would run through the reworked road network. I've only looked at route 2/N2 and note that it won't be going via the bus station meaning longer, less convenient interchange. Routes crossing Vauxhall Bridge are split across several stops and to Victoria is also split with some distance between stops. Madness. Looks like a right old horrible mess split in half with an access road meaning people have to dice with vehicles whereas the current design has very little conflict with moving vehicles. Who on earth thinks this is better than what we have now needs their head examining. A tad arrogant to suggest anybody who disagrees with your doom and gloom assessment needs their head examining! I've only had a quick flick through it but it looks a vast improvement to me. Right...................off to book an appointment with my shrink
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Post by Unorm on Nov 24, 2015 17:13:11 GMT
Forget that! It looks like Arriva has won the 185... ...with existing DLAs! Let's not forget Metroline and Stagecoach's first entrances with 19000
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Post by snoggle on Nov 24, 2015 17:34:11 GMT
TfL have launched an updated consultation on the Vauxhall Gyratory scheme. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/vauxhall-crossThere is a lot of info including detailed maps showing how routes would run through the reworked road network. I've only looked at route 2/N2 and note that it won't be going via the bus station meaning longer, less convenient interchange. Routes crossing Vauxhall Bridge are split across several stops and to Victoria is also split with some distance between stops. Madness. Looks like a right old horrible mess split in half with an access road meaning people have to dice with vehicles whereas the current design has very little conflict with moving vehicles. Who on earth thinks this is better than what we have now needs their head examining. A tad arrogant to suggest anybody who disagrees with your doom and gloom assessment needs their head examining! I've only had a quick flick through it but it looks a vast improvement to me. Right...................off to book an appointment with my shrink My concerns are that stop locations are relatively poor and there is a need to cross a two lane bus access road to reach what will be busy stops. Today's bus station brings all stops together around one island with no need for roads to be crossed when interchanging between buses. I see regularly what happens at T Hale where there is a similar issue with a bus access road that people blithely cross without looking. How someone has not been killed I don't know. People in a hurry for a bus will just dash across the road in the new Vauxhall proposals. It just seems an enormously backward step compared to today's very good bus station design. It also seems a shame to demolish what was only put in a few years ago - that's one heck of a write off of past expenditure. There has clearly been a decision to remove the road crossing between the bus station and the NR station and to pedestrianise this area. I can see why that may be beneficial even though there is a direct subway link between the tube and the NR station entrance so many commuters can avoid the road. The cost is the need to introduce bus stops that are effectively back on the main roads in a couple of locations, to lengthen some interchange distances, to split what are currently common stops and to have an access road splitting the site. Given that a large amount of money is being spent to put in segregated cycle lanes now I wonder what the compulsion is to remove the gyratory? - other than to create land space for massive planned developments!
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Post by vjaska on Nov 24, 2015 18:38:14 GMT
TfL have launched an updated consultation on the Vauxhall Gyratory scheme. consultations.tfl.gov.uk/roads/vauxhall-crossThere is a lot of info including detailed maps showing how routes would run through the reworked road network. I've only looked at route 2/N2 and note that it won't be going via the bus station meaning longer, less convenient interchange. Routes crossing Vauxhall Bridge are split across several stops and to Victoria is also split with some distance between stops. Madness. Looks like a right old horrible mess split in half with an access road meaning people have to dice with vehicles whereas the current design has very little conflict with moving vehicles. Who on earth thinks this is better than what we have now needs their head examining. A tad arrogant to suggest anybody who disagrees with your doom and gloom assessment needs their head examining! I've only had a quick flick through it but it looks a vast improvement to me. Right...................off to book an appointment with my shrink Well you better move to Vauxhall then and enjoy your new junction of horrors then.
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Post by routew15 on Nov 24, 2015 19:01:32 GMT
I see the undulating glass roof idea has been shelved. I do not think the bus stop locations are all that bad the current bus station is the same length as the existing. I like that there is a large cluster of stops close to the station unlike the existing. The bus station design is grey and depressing, I do note the little "this image is an artist impression" disclaimer but I do not see the bus station getting any more exciting than a lick of red paint. It seems as though the design has been kept very minimalistic. I don't see anything particularly wrong with the existing Vauxhall Cross, however I don't think users of the bus station are at an adverse disadvantage with these proposals.
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Post by snoggle on Jan 6, 2016 21:20:23 GMT
A blog entry from a local S London resident who attended a TfL and Lambeth Council consultation about the gyratory proposals. onionbagblog.com/2015/12/06/vauxhall-bus-station-blues/Doesn't suggest there's much prospect of the bus station being retained in any meaningful way. If the staff present really did smirk behind the man's back then that's really very poor indeed.
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