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Post by twobellstogo on Jan 29, 2015 11:09:50 GMT
Sorry but I can't afford 3 weeks with only 4 days money. I'll be working. Paying my mortgage is more important. Chances are you'll be resting on one of those days anyway, out of interest are you in unite union? If your not then I fully understand but if you are then you should either strike or better still change unions. No point being in a union if your not willing to stand up and strike when needed. He should do what is right for him, not for the union or for you.
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Post by M1104 on Jan 29, 2015 11:19:36 GMT
When i was on the buses i used to do a rest day in advance of any possible strikes, therefore covering any loss of earnings on the day.
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Post by Madstuntman on Jan 29, 2015 11:23:00 GMT
Chances are you'll be resting on one of those days anyway, out of interest are you in unite union? If your not then I fully understand but if you are then you should either strike or better still change unions. No point being in a union if your not willing to stand up and strike when needed. He should do what is right for him, not for the union or for you. Checked my diary, working a 10 hour job on all 3 days. I stay in the union to give myself some cover if anything else happens to me while I am working. However I have said from the start I do not support this current action.
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Post by vjaska on Jan 29, 2015 13:04:54 GMT
Chances are you'll be resting on one of those days anyway, out of interest are you in unite union? If your not then I fully understand but if you are then you should either strike or better still change unions. No point being in a union if your not willing to stand up and strike when needed. He should do what is right for him, not for the union or for you. Precisely and this is where it leads to that slippery path of those drivers who do choose to work geting called traitors by others who are striking - absolutely disgusting behaviour. No one has the right to judge what action a person takes in this scenario - strike if you wish to strike and work if you wish to work. It's as simple as that.
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Post by driveumad on Jan 29, 2015 13:24:44 GMT
A union is an organized group of workers who collectively use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through a union, workers have a right to impact wages, work hours, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues.
You want the benefits of a union without the fight?
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Jan 29, 2015 13:36:54 GMT
I wonder what services will be operating this time round. Maybe NS will actually bother to run the 86 instead of making me and all its users take the Abellio Worser Anglia. I don't see either side giving up in this fight, as it's not an easy fix by just handing the operators a load of money like it was during 2012. It will be interesting to see the outcome
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Post by Madstuntman on Jan 29, 2015 15:03:29 GMT
A union is an organized group of workers who collectively use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through a union, workers have a right to impact wages, work hours, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues. You want the benefits of a union without the fight? Unite is more a political party than it is a group of workers I'm not interested in joining labours fight against the conservatives. I'll do whatever I choose to do in the polling station. So yeah I'll take the benefits. Because I've paid for them.
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Post by driveumad on Jan 29, 2015 15:59:20 GMT
A union is an organized group of workers who collectively use their strength to have a voice in their workplace. Through a union, workers have a right to impact wages, work hours, benefits, workplace health and safety, job training and other work-related issues. You want the benefits of a union without the fight? Unite is more a political party than it is a group of workers I'm not interested in joining labours fight against the conservatives. I'll do whatever I choose to do in the polling station.l So yeah I'll take the benefits. Because I've paid for them. But if all Unite union members thought like you there would be no benefits for you to take.
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Post by sid on Jan 29, 2015 16:07:49 GMT
I wonder what services will be operating this time round. Maybe NS will actually bother to run the 86 instead of making me and all its users take the Abellio Worser Anglia. I don't see either side giving up in this fight, as it's not an easy fix by just handing the operators a load of money like it was during 2012. It will be interesting to see the outcome I suspect that the action will just fizzle out, clearly TfL aren't going to specify a standard rate of pay in fact I'm not sure that legally they can. It just seems to me like Unite wanting to pick a fight.
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Post by John tuthill on Jan 29, 2015 16:14:22 GMT
Unite is more a political party than it is a group of workers I'm not interested in joining labours fight against the conservatives. I'll do whatever I choose to do in the polling station.l So yeah I'll take the benefits. Because I've paid for them. But if all Unite union members thought like you there would be no benefits for you to take. I asked this before the last disruption, maybe someone could supply the answers: a) How many London bus drivers are Unite members? b) How many of those actually voted? c)How many of those who voted, voted for industrial action? d) What is the percentage of those who voted for industrial action of the total Unite membership of London bus drivers?
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Post by londonbusboy on Jan 29, 2015 16:55:06 GMT
I have heard other drivers say it and i have indeed said it that i would settle for being paid start to finish and reducing the amount of hours
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Post by snoggle on Jan 29, 2015 17:56:57 GMT
But if all Unite union members thought like you there would be no benefits for you to take. I asked this before the last disruption, maybe someone could supply the answers: a) How many London bus drivers are Unite members? b) How many of those actually voted? c)How many of those who voted, voted for industrial action? d) What is the percentage of those who voted for industrial action of the total Unite membership of London bus drivers? Unite say on their website that they represent up to 27,000 London Bus Drivers. That looks to be a very sizeable proportion as I expect there only about 30,000 drivers in total. The numbers voting are not huge. TfL have said only 16% voted in favour. If your look at this detailed report from Unite it shows the numbers voting per company and the proportions of yes and no. In round terms the average across the companies of those who voted and also voted yes is 88%. 12% voted no. If you look at the numbers of total votes per company then there looks to me to be a great deal of apathy as the turnout was very low. I am sure all drivers feel very strongly about the issue but it looks to me that those feelings did not turn into actually voting. IIRC there were remarks from a few people on here who are drivers that they weren't even asked to vote despite being in the union. That looks pretty useless to me if the union couldn't or didn't ensure that drivers knew when and where to vote.
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Post by rambo on Jan 29, 2015 18:56:34 GMT
Sorry but I can't afford 3 weeks with only 4 days money. I'll be working. Paying my mortgage is more important. Not looking for an arguement, but, that attitude is EXACTLY what the companies are hoping for. IMO, if you refuse to strike, you can NEVER ever complain about drivers wages.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 29, 2015 20:38:40 GMT
I wonder what services will be operating this time round. Maybe NS will actually bother to run the 86 instead of making me and all its users take the Abellio Worser Anglia. I don't see either side giving up in this fight, as it's not an easy fix by just handing the operators a load of money like it was during 2012. It will be interesting to see the outcome Hang on - Stagecoach run the best service in can with the drivers that turn up. Would you rather NS put out say 3 buses on the 86 with 40 - 50 min gaps and then you couldn't get on or put the drivers on a route with a lower PVR?
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Post by Steve80 on Jan 30, 2015 6:25:45 GMT
I asked this before the last disruption, maybe someone could supply the answers: a) How many London bus drivers are Unite members? b) How many of those actually voted? c)How many of those who voted, voted for industrial action? d) What is the percentage of those who voted for industrial action of the total Unite membership of London bus drivers? Unite say on their website that they represent up to 27,000 London Bus Drivers. That looks to be a very sizeable proportion as I expect there only about 30,000 drivers in total. The numbers voting are not huge. TfL have said only 16% voted in favour. If your look at this detailed report from Unite it shows the numbers voting per company and the proportions of yes and no. In round terms the average across the companies of those who voted and also voted yes is 88%. 12% voted no. If you look at the numbers of total votes per company then there looks to me to be a great deal of apathy as the turnout was very low. I am sure all drivers feel very strongly about the issue but it looks to me that those feelings did not turn into actually voting. IIRC there were remarks from a few people on here who are drivers that they weren't even asked to vote despite being in the union. That looks pretty useless to me if the union couldn't or didn't ensure that drivers knew when and where to vote. Yes, I was one who didn't get to vote as it never came through the post It does seem odd. I been meaning to find out why that is but always forgotten to ask when I get to work. Had the ballot came then I would of voted yes. Unfortunately, I will be going out on strike on all 3 days if needed. The fear of starting again on the lower wages should I ever need to leave the job is still there. I'm also worried with Abellio actions to bring in drivers from Romania just so they can drive the buses on the 109 and pay them £8ph. If its successful then I'm sure they bring in more and pay them similar rates. Soon, the rest of us living here already will have to follow suit. I don't know much about politics but I know that Unite have been campaigning for a few years or so about the race to the bottom. Companies outbidding other companies to gain routes and then employing drivers from different countries on much smaller wages. Is that what we want? Drivers who are unfamiliar with our roads and passengers getting mislead by drivers such as the passenger who boarded a 211 and asked if he goes to Lambeth Bridge. The driver's reply was 'Yes, I go to the bridge' and took her to Westminster Another thing to look at is the Olympics. Most (if not all) of the other transport workers were getting bonuses but not us bus drivers. It took us one strike and another threat of strikes before finally some kind of negotiation took place. Even though we finally got the bonus, it still left a bad taste in my mouth
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