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Post by eggmiester on Feb 3, 2015 0:17:25 GMT
Because a lot of trees in London, including those on the Kingsway have preservation orders on them! You just can't go and cut them down. The trees in question here have been in situ for decades or more without serious incident so it's not like they have just sprung up out of the blue! Until the full findings of the investigation are known we won't know why the driver was so close to the kerb in the n/s lane where there is clearly a signposted height restriction! Looks to me in my professional opinion that this is a simple case of human error with or without other contributing factors.
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Post by vjaska on Feb 3, 2015 2:56:33 GMT
TBH, if TFL are aware of the low tree, and the council have put a sign up, why not just trim/cut back the tree. This is councils your talking about
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Post by paulsw2 on Feb 3, 2015 3:52:16 GMT
BBC London evening news said TfL would be launching a full investigation into the accident. They also added that TfL would be looking to see if the design of the bus was a contributory factor. I find this latter comment a bit odd - given buses have had their roofs ripped off several times in London service surely TfL are perfectly aware of the design and construction of the upper decks of all modern buses? I'd expect them all to be pretty similar in construction. Even if by some miracle there was something "wrong" about E400s' design there are no easy options given how many hundreds of them are in service in London. Cynical (and sneaky) way to force the Roastmasters onto everything
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Post by Steve80 on Feb 3, 2015 4:49:26 GMT
Because a lot of trees in London, including those on the Kingsway have preservation orders on them! You just can't go and cut them down. The trees in question here have been in situ for decades or more without serious incident so it's not like they have just sprung up out of the blue! Until the full findings of the investigation are known we won't know why the driver was so close to the kerb in the n/s lane where there is clearly a signposted height restriction! Looks to me in my professional opinion that this is a simple case of human error with or without other contributing factors. Ever since that incident involving the 188 bus in Tower Bridge Road, I always been more aware of the trees when driving a bus. I actually driven a bus on this road (while running out of service from Parliament Hill Fields on the C2) and I actually seem to recall driving in the middle of the road because of how close the trees were to the kerb. I don't recall seeing that sign though regarding the height restriction.
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Post by ServerKing on Feb 3, 2015 6:43:09 GMT
BBC London evening news said TfL would be launching a full investigation into the accident. They also added that TfL would be looking to see if the design of the bus was a contributory factor. I find this latter comment a bit odd - given buses have had their roofs ripped off several times in London service surely TfL are perfectly aware of the design and construction of the upper decks of all modern buses? I'd expect them all to be pretty similar in construction. Even if by some miracle there was something "wrong" about E400s' design there are no easy options given how many hundreds of them are in service in London. Utterly ridiculous, IMHO... obviously driver error... no need for risk assessments or banning double deckers from the route, if somehow E400 design was the fault. Good way to foist more LT's onto the operators as I think they probably want to find the rest new homes before the Election Sure is going to be packed in the mornings with this work-around whilst double deckers are banned from Kingsway for the time being
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Post by John tuthill on Feb 3, 2015 9:00:51 GMT
TBH, if TFL are aware of the low tree, and the council have put a sign up, why not just trim/cut back the tree. This is councils your talking about It's Camden, better option to trim the council!
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Post by moz on Feb 3, 2015 14:33:03 GMT
Because a lot of trees in London, including those on the Kingsway have preservation orders on them! You just can't go and cut them down. The trees in question here have been in situ for decades or more without serious incident so it's not like they have just sprung up out of the blue! Until the full findings of the investigation are known we won't know why the driver was so close to the kerb in the n/s lane where there is clearly a signposted height restriction! Looks to me in my professional opinion that this is a simple case of human error with or without other contributing factors. Ever since that incident involving the 188 bus in Tower Bridge Road, I always been more aware of the trees when driving a bus. I actually driven a bus on this road (while running out of service from Parliament Hill Fields on the C2) and I actually seem to recall driving in the middle of the road because of how close the trees were to the kerb. I don't recall seeing that sign though regarding the height restriction. The section where the height restriction exists actually used to be a bus lane! I remember using it on the 68s. Moz
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