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Post by routew15 on Mar 3, 2015 16:50:46 GMT
Recently there has been a lot of discussion about these routes. TfL are proposing to make changes to bus services on routes 13, 82, 113, 139, 189, N13 and N113. ~ Routes 13 and N13 would no longer run ~ Route 82 would run 24 hours a day ~ Route 113 would be extended to Oxford Circus ~ Route 139 would be extended to Golders Green ~ Route 189 would run between Brent Cross and Marble Arch. ~ New night route N189 would run between Brent Cross and Oxford Circus ~ Frequencies would be changed on route 113Attachment DeletedImage of proposed changes (from consultation page)To have your say or view more details click here for the Consultation page
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Post by Unorm on Mar 3, 2015 17:18:25 GMT
Recently there has been a lot of discussion about these routes. TfL are proposing to make changes to bus services on routes 13, 82, 113, 139, 189, N13 and N113. ~ Routes 13 and N13 would no longer run ~ Route 82 would run 24 hours a day ~ Route 113 would be extended to Oxford Circus ~ Route 139 would be extended to Golders Green ~ Route 189 would run between Brent Cross and Marble Arch. ~ New night route N189 would run between Brent Cross and Oxford Circus ~ Frequencies would be changed on route 113Image of proposed changes (from consultation page)To have your say or view more details click here for the Consultation page I guess it's safe to say either 114/183/292 would get VHs if this goes on. But then there is a broken direct link to Aldwych and TSQ, which can be easily swapped with other buses. I can imagine 13 users would be a bit shocked about this. Good changes on 82 and 139 though. They might aswell extend N189 to TSQ via N113 and withdraw N113 and make 113 24hour.
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Post by Eastlondoner62 on Mar 3, 2015 17:18:26 GMT
I think this is a very controversial consulation, but knowing TFL this is probably what they have already planned and are just letting us give our opinions for a formality. I didn't see the 13 chop coming up London Sovereign lost their only Central London route, I am guessing the VHs will move to the 292 at the end of this year instead of the route getting new buses. I don't know why the 113 and 189 are swapping Termini. Nothing seems to be wrong with the termini of either route
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2015 17:33:42 GMT
Shocking that a major route like the 13 would be withdrawn - I assume London Sovereign will be compensated in someway for the loss of the route - what will happen to the drivers?
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Post by wrights on Mar 3, 2015 17:48:22 GMT
if 139 extend to golders green,is there a second chance to get NRM ?!
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Post by westhamgeezer on Mar 3, 2015 17:49:41 GMT
I was informed by a good source 9 months ago that the 13 would be withdrawn, watch this space with route 7 too. A shame to lose an historic route that I think still has a role to play, but dont be fooled that this is a "consultation" It'll happen.
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Post by routew15 on Mar 3, 2015 17:51:37 GMT
I think this is a very controversial consulation, but knowing TFL this is probably what they have already planned and are just letting us give our opinions for a formality. I didn't see the 13 chop coming up London Sovereign lost their only Central London route, I am guessing the VHs will move to the 292 at the end of this year instead of the route getting new buses. I don't know why the 113 and 189 are swapping Termini. Nothing seems to be wrong with the termini of either route The reason the 113 and 189 have swapped termini is so that the 113 can maintain the link between Finchley Road and the West End. Having the 189 along Oxford Street would not be as beneficial to Finchley Road passengers, however I am sure the 139 passengers will want the 189 to retain its current routing, as I can imagine the 139 is going to get extremely busy, and the 189 could help with overcrowding that will occur! i disagree that TfL aren't going to take account of the consultation response. The consultation could get a lot of negative feedback, as passengers will want to know where are the positives for them and if you look at the consultation critically TfL are: removing a route, extending two already busy routes (which will not have any extra resources added) and in the case of 189 passengers (that start their journeys before the route is joined by the 139) they will have to pay two bus fares to reach Oxford Street/Circus. The extremes TfL are going to so that New Routemasters can be put on the 139 (maybe the 113 and 189) are quite extraordinary.
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Post by Green Kitten on Mar 3, 2015 18:01:07 GMT
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Post by Nathan on Mar 3, 2015 18:08:15 GMT
There's no point of crying about it all. We all know that TfL are going to go through with the plan whether we vote for or against it.
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Post by Green Kitten on Mar 3, 2015 18:24:29 GMT
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Post by paulo on Mar 3, 2015 18:32:51 GMT
Two years in the making I would say. Always thought it was unusual that the 292 had new buses planned for later this year mid contract, especially as its run by one of the smaller operaters. . A break clause was probably written in to the 13's 2013 renewal.
Now it will be interesting as to whether the hybrids are diverted to the 285 instead.
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Post by danorak on Mar 3, 2015 18:35:43 GMT
There's no point of crying about it all. We all know that TfL are going to go through with the plan whether we vote for or against it. The value in a consultation is not so much whether people say yes or no - it's not a referendum after all - but in exposing previously unforeseen issues and generating other ideas. It's rare but things do sometimes change as a result (look at the contortions of the B16 around Kidbrooke) so do not be dissuaded from responding. Of course, the elephant in the room on this one is the previously released information that LTs would have problems using the West Hampstead stand if the 139 was converted. It will take some clever drafting to sidestep that in the consultation report should anyone choose to raise it. It will be a shame to lose the 13 as the traditional route along Finchley Road. I am strugging to think of the last 'traditional' route to be lost in its entirety like this. Has there been one since the loss of the old 10 back in the late 80s?
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Post by sid on Mar 3, 2015 18:53:32 GMT
Recently there has been a lot of discussion about these routes. TfL are proposing to make changes to bus services on routes 13, 82, 113, 139, 189, N13 and N113. ~ Routes 13 and N13 would no longer run ~ Route 82 would run 24 hours a day ~ Route 113 would be extended to Oxford Circus ~ Route 139 would be extended to Golders Green ~ Route 189 would run between Brent Cross and Marble Arch. ~ New night route N189 would run between Brent Cross and Oxford Circus ~ Frequencies would be changed on route 113View AttachmentImage of proposed changes (from consultation page)To have your say or view more details click here for the Consultation page A lot of negatives and I'm struggling to see any positives, the 24hr 82 will only be replacing the N13, does the daytime 82 get a frequency increase? And as others have said the 13 is only a year or so into a new contract, won't there have to be some compensation pay out? Extending the 139 to Golders Green serves no real purpose with the 328 already covering that section.
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Post by l1group on Mar 3, 2015 19:03:13 GMT
I've known about this for quite a while (albeit the version I heard was the 139 being renumbered 13, 139N to be renumbered N13 as well), and I have a massive feeling that TfL will go ahead no matter what. At this rate, RATP set to lose quite a lot and Metroline will gain a tad. The 10 afaik was withdrawn after it dwindled down and it was already single deck by when it was withdrawn! At this rate, this just seems to be a ploy of removing more buses off Oxford Street, forcing more crowding on the 82 (which can get very busy when a 13 takes some time to arrive) and at the same time, converting the 139 to LT. The forced paying of two fares for anyone going to the West End from the 189 Brent Cross and the extended journey times for West End-Golders Green (by bus) journey times will not be liked. TfL may have some passenger figures that may say that people on the 13 may like longer journey times(!) (or flow means that the Northern line exists, these changes may warrant some to move to the already overcrowded Northern line!). Watch the amount of confusion when this change takes place all around NW London, and tourists within London. Technically 139 barely serves Aldwych, so that's slightly less worrying(!)
Looking at the 292 contract, this change would probably be by December this year at this rate.
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Post by T.R. on Mar 3, 2015 19:09:17 GMT
Response to consultation? No. Just no.
(But it'll most likely happen anyway. How about renumbering the 113 to 13?)
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