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Post by sid on Apr 17, 2015 19:52:22 GMT
Here we go again............................another round of LT bashing LT's bashing Toyotas I'm sure the production of these things are rushed... I would be crapping myself if I was the driver of either vehicle I really don't think we need anymore scaremongering.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 19:55:36 GMT
LT's bashing Toyotas I'm sure the production of these things are rushed... I would be crapping myself if I was the driver of either vehicle I really don't think we need anymore scaremongering. My final word on thisIn recent times how many buses have had as many issues as these? I mean in terms of crashes and overheating passengers? I for one can't remember as many issues or such negative public opinion. Then lets look at the Cost of these Hybrid One person operated buses. Can you tell me some of the positives of these buses for London passengers?
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Post by sid on Apr 17, 2015 19:59:57 GMT
I really don't think we need anymore scaremongering. My final word on thisIn recent times how many buses have had as many issues as these? I mean in terms of crashes and overheating passengers? I for one can't remember as many issues or such negative public opinion. Then lets look at the Cost of these Hybrid One person operated buses. Can you tell me some of the positives of these buses for London passengers? Well probably no more than any other type of bus? Funny but when I've travelled on them I've not heard any negative opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2015 20:01:04 GMT
My final word on thisIn recent times how many buses have had as many issues as these? I mean in terms of crashes and overheating passengers? I for one can't remember as many issues or such negative public opinion. Then lets look at the Cost of these Hybrid One person operated buses. Can you tell me some of the positives of these buses for London passengers? Well probably no more than any other type of bus? Funny but when I've travelled on them I've not heard any negative opinion. Try a Twitter Search Just type in new Routemaster
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Post by ServerKing on Apr 18, 2015 19:32:14 GMT
Well probably no more than any other type of bus? Funny but when I've travelled on them I've not heard any negative opinion. Try a Twitter Search Just type in new Routemaster failing that, google 'Boris master' 'crash' 'heat' 'fare evasion' 'white elephant' or a combination of any of the suggestions (Your search may break the internet )
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Post by sid on Apr 18, 2015 21:03:55 GMT
Try a Twitter Search Just type in new Routemaster failing that, google 'Boris master' 'crash' 'heat' 'fare evasion' 'white elephant' or a combination of any of the suggestions (Your search may break the internet ) The fare evasion criticism is valid but the rest is just nonsense
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Post by 6HP502C on Apr 20, 2015 17:36:14 GMT
I would give far more credibility to the comment from Leon Daniels at the end of the article than I would to more hysterical rants on here No hysterical rants here that I can see. The quotes are from the article and if you think a LT hurtling down a busy street with the driver struggling to control it is somehow "normal" then I'm left speechless. How would you feel being in the driving seat of a huge bus that you can't control knowing you're going to plough into a car and a bus? It must have been horrendous for the driver. Mr Daniels is bound to say the buses are safe isn't he? For him to even suggest to the contrary begs a whole load of questions that the media will pounce on. You can absolutely guarantee that this incident will feature in future Mayor's Questions because the court judgement does raise some issues. The fact that this is now out in the open is good for everyone because there should be public scrutiny. I would say the same should apply to *any* bus type because public and staff safety comes first. No witch hunt here! I've been in a bus that has had a power surge before whilst in gear. Three things I did was pump the gas furiously to try and disengage the power (unsuccessfully) then put the bus in neutral and apply maximum braking force. Combined, the latter two actions stopped the bus. This driver appears to have done neither - and the published excuse for not trying the handbrake seems a bit feeble to me. I can't say I've ever been trained on how to deal with a power surge, or stuck throttle but it seems some drivers do need to be trained and tested on their ability to act in an emergency. A mis-allocation, doubling as an act of clemency was London United using SP26 on the 148 last week. As I sat on a stuffy, hot NRM going in the opposite direction, I only wished somebody would furnish the NRMs with hopper windows. 18 mods to the aircon, with more defective buses being put on the road? It's not looking promising. When is someone going to call time on this and furnish the buses with hopper windows?
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Post by snoggle on Apr 20, 2015 18:09:41 GMT
No hysterical rants here that I can see. The quotes are from the article and if you think a LT hurtling down a busy street with the driver struggling to control it is somehow "normal" then I'm left speechless. How would you feel being in the driving seat of a huge bus that you can't control knowing you're going to plough into a car and a bus? It must have been horrendous for the driver. Mr Daniels is bound to say the buses are safe isn't he? For him to even suggest to the contrary begs a whole load of questions that the media will pounce on. You can absolutely guarantee that this incident will feature in future Mayor's Questions because the court judgement does raise some issues. The fact that this is now out in the open is good for everyone because there should be public scrutiny. I would say the same should apply to *any* bus type because public and staff safety comes first. No witch hunt here! I've been in a bus that has had a power surge before whilst in gear. Three things I did was pump the gas furiously to try and disengage the power (unsuccessfully) then put the bus in neutral and apply maximum braking force. Combined, the latter two actions stopped the bus. This driver appears to have done neither - and the published excuse for not trying the handbrake seems a bit feeble to me. I can't say I've ever been trained on how to deal with a power surge, or stuck throttle but it seems some drivers do need to be trained and tested on their ability to act in an emergency. A mis-allocation, doubling as an act of clemency was London United using SP26 on the 148 last week. As I sat on a stuffy, hot NRM going in the opposite direction, I only wished somebody would furnish the NRMs with hopper windows. 18 mods to the aircon, with more defective buses being put on the road? It's not looking promising. When is someone going to call time on this and furnish the buses with hopper windows? Your remark about "not being trained on a power surge" made me go back and check the date of the route 11 incident. What is interesting is that it happened two days after the first day of NB4Ls operation on the 11. Therefore there was a possibility (and I put it no more strongly than that) that drivers might be unfamiliar with their new vehicles. Now this point was not identified in the recent news articles about the court case but I wonder if it was a factor raised during the court hearing. I am dubious about the level of familiarity drivers get with the NB4L given the ridiculous scale of incidents with the vehicles in the first weeks following conversion - so many bashes and crashes. When a NB4L was on display in Walthamstow last year I spoke to the driver who'd brought it from Bow Garage. He said that getting the bus to reverse up a slope (as at the E17 location) was difficult because the bus responded differently to any other bus he'd driven. The driveline is different on NB4Ls to other hybrids AIUI. On your second point I just don't see upper deck opening windows ever being possible. They'd weigh too much and bash people's heads given the relatively low ceiling height and relative position of people's heads to the windows. Increasing the weight simply reduces the vehicle capacity and I don't think TfL could stomach a total capacity of fewer than 80 passengers on such a large bus. It's bad enough the latest euro6 buses are 80 or 81 person capacity.
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Post by bigbaddom1981 on Apr 20, 2015 18:33:17 GMT
Solution, have convertible nbfls for summer months! Maybe an open too version might be good for tourists
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Post by jay on Apr 20, 2015 18:53:38 GMT
The bus industry boggles my mind. HTF can you sack people for appearing as a witness in court???
20th April 2015
To: Branches, Regional Councils & Regional Offices
Dear Colleague,
DISMISSALS, L DOYNE & C TRAVERS, STOCKWELL GARAGE – GO AHEAD LONDON
I received a resolution from Wimbledon Branch expressing outrage at the dismissal of two of our members from the Stockwell Go Ahead Garage in London. The company based their decision on the fact that our members were summonsed to attend court by the Unite legal team to give evidence in support of a fellow bus driver. The company chose to ignore requests made by our representatives for evidence, including witnesses, and mitigation but the company remained unmoved in its decision. The company also appear to be supressing potentially life threatening faults on the Boris buses from entering the public arena by bullying members who dare to highlight them. At present there are four members who have been dismissed, two of which are awaiting Employment Tribunals. The Branch also suggested that a meeting with Unite, the recognised union for London buses, would be beneficial to consider a joint and robust approach to these matters.
The GGC considered this resolution and agreed that a joint approach with Unite is essential to fight for our members’ reinstatement and it recognised the need to emphasise to Unite that this is not an attack on its single recognition agreement. To facilitate this view a meeting will be organised with Unite to consider the joint approach. The GGC has also instructed me to raise these ongoing matters with our Parliamentary Group as a matter of urgency and to raise awareness with relevant London forums, such as London Travel Watch.
I am in the process of carrying out the above instructions and would be grateful if you could bring this report to the attention of your members.
Yours sincerely
Mick Cash
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Post by snoggle on Apr 20, 2015 20:36:51 GMT
The bus industry boggles my mind. HTF can you sack people for appearing as a witness in court??? 20th April 2015 To: Branches, Regional Councils & Regional Offices Dear Colleague, DISMISSALS, L DOYNE & C TRAVERS, STOCKWELL GARAGE – GO AHEAD LONDON I received a resolution from Wimbledon Branch expressing outrage at the dismissal of two of our members from the Stockwell Go Ahead Garage in London. The company based their decision on the fact that our members were summonsed to attend court by the Unite legal team to give evidence in support of a fellow bus driver. The company chose to ignore requests made by our representatives for evidence, including witnesses, and mitigation but the company remained unmoved in its decision. The company also appear to be supressing potentially life threatening faults on the Boris buses from entering the public arena by bullying members who dare to highlight them. At present there are four members who have been dismissed, two of which are awaiting Employment Tribunals. The Branch also suggested that a meeting with Unite, the recognised union for London buses, would be beneficial to consider a joint and robust approach to these matters. The GGC considered this resolution and agreed that a joint approach with Unite is essential to fight for our members’ reinstatement and it recognised the need to emphasise to Unite that this is not an attack on its single recognition agreement. To facilitate this view a meeting will be organised with Unite to consider the joint approach. The GGC has also instructed me to raise these ongoing matters with our Parliamentary Group as a matter of urgency and to raise awareness with relevant London forums, such as London Travel Watch. I am in the process of carrying out the above instructions and would be grateful if you could bring this report to the attention of your members. Yours sincerely Mick Cash General Secretary How can you sack people? Pretty easily I would guess. Obviously we do not have both sides of the story here but I'd imagine something along the lines of "damaging the company's reputation" or "bringing the company into disrepute" could be grounds. Many contracts prevent employees from doing *anything* that could damage the company they work for. Such provisions can have a very wide scope which is why so many people get caught out by what they say on social media or post to Facebook etc and end up being sacked. Even conversations on trains that are overheard are instantly stuck on twitter these days. There is little privacy these days. While I understand a court appearance may be something that cannot be avoided (given a summons was issued) you'd still be caught by your employment contract provisions. Talk about being between a rock and a hard place. I am not surprised the Union feels obliged to act and I think they're right. This is one to watch given the intention of the RMT to raise this with politicians and other bodies. It'll take a few weeks given the General Election but this one could get very hairy indeed for a lot of people.
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Post by sid on Apr 21, 2015 10:04:55 GMT
Solution, have convertible nbfls for summer months! Maybe an open too version might be good for tourists The RV1 would seem an ideal candidate?
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Post by Steve80 on Apr 23, 2015 3:56:59 GMT
No hysterical rants here that I can see. The quotes are from the article and if you think a LT hurtling down a busy street with the driver struggling to control it is somehow "normal" then I'm left speechless. How would you feel being in the driving seat of a huge bus that you can't control knowing you're going to plough into a car and a bus? It must have been horrendous for the driver. Mr Daniels is bound to say the buses are safe isn't he? For him to even suggest to the contrary begs a whole load of questions that the media will pounce on. You can absolutely guarantee that this incident will feature in future Mayor's Questions because the court judgement does raise some issues. The fact that this is now out in the open is good for everyone because there should be public scrutiny. I would say the same should apply to *any* bus type because public and staff safety comes first. No witch hunt here! I've been in a bus that has had a power surge before whilst in gear. Three things I did was pump the gas furiously to try and disengage the power (unsuccessfully) then put the bus in neutral and apply maximum braking force. Combined, the latter two actions stopped the bus. This driver appears to have done neither - and the published excuse for not trying the handbrake seems a bit feeble to me. I can't say I've ever been trained on how to deal with a power surge, or stuck throttle but it seems some drivers do need to be trained and tested on their ability to act in an emergency. A mis-allocation, doubling as an act of clemency was London United using SP26 on the 148 last week. As I sat on a stuffy, hot NRM going in the opposite direction, I only wished somebody would furnish the NRMs with hopper windows. 18 mods to the aircon, with more defective buses being put on the road? It's not looking promising. When is someone going to call time on this and furnish the buses with hopper windows? I actually had a stuck accelerator pedal while driving a ferry van (while under Travel London). Thankfully, the van was slow and I was only doing about 15mph when the I could hear the engine revving quite high. I immediately lifted my foot off the pedals as I couldn't believe what was happening and I then immediately put the gears into neutral. The engine was still revving and I seemed to remember something got caught in the pedals. The few drivers inside the van with me thought I was being silly! Anyway, I do agree with your other comments. Wasn't it in the days of LT where drivers were taught on how to control a bus in the Chiswick training centre?
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Post by rmz19 on Apr 24, 2015 11:18:32 GMT
It's ridiculously unbelievable how a computer glitch can cause a bus to keep accelerating and unable to brake, I don't recall any other bus in London having this problem recently as far as I know, saying this is a problem is a massive understatement. The LTs were riddled with problems at the start and that goes to show how London would be better without them and just sticking to conventional buses. I was clenching my teeth when watching the video, then noticing the loss of control as he careered through the road between cars made my heart pound. Really feel sorry for the driver and passengers and those on the 360 who suffered. I wonder what Boris has to say about his ridiculous policy of rushingly bombarding London with the LTs or even about the LTs full stop
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Post by sid on Apr 24, 2015 12:38:17 GMT
It's ridiculously unbelievable how a computer glitch can cause a bus to keep accelerating and unable to brake, I don't recall any other bus in London having this problem recently as far as I know, saying this is a problem is a massive understatement. The LTs were riddled with problems at the start and that goes to show how London would be better without them and just sticking to conventional buses. I was clenching my teeth when watching the video, then noticing the loss of control as he careered through the road between cars made my heart pound. Really feel sorry for the driver and passengers and those on the 360 who suffered. I wonder what Boris has to say about his ridiculous policy of rushingly bombarding London with the LTs or even about the LTs full stop Nobody can say for certain that there was anything wrong with the bus and that it wasn't down to driver error.
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