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Post by snoggle on Apr 19, 2015 19:03:28 GMT
I've not used the 152 but there are regular comments on here about how busy it is. Looking at the bus map it doesn't seem to go anywhere "major" although it serves two tube stations. I note also that it's put on over 1m pass jnys a year over 9 years. The numbers (usual caveats apply) suggest that it is very close to capacity now.
Can some group regulars say what the major flows are on the route? Just interested to know what's driving the demand growth.
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Post by Nathan on Apr 19, 2015 19:12:26 GMT
I've not used the 152 but there are regular comments on here about how busy it is. Looking at the bus map it doesn't seem to go anywhere "major" although it serves two tube stations. I note also that it's put on over 1m pass jnys a year over 9 years. The numbers (usual caveats apply) suggest that it is very close to capacity now. Can some group regulars say what the major flows are on the route? Just interested to know what's driving the demand growth. From my observations and journeys on the route, I can say that it's pretty busy from it's first stop at New Malden. Between Raynes Park and Colliers Wood, it's pretty empty actually. But after Colliers Wood it starts to fill up a bit with people heading home. Bear in mind that I've only travelled on this route with double deckers, but I travel along Merton High Street regularly and I never see any 152 bus over-crowded or anything (on both SDs and DDs). Although my observations are limited, I really don't see how the route gets so crowded.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 19:13:41 GMT
I think the route gets quite busy around Merton Abbey and after school on some days otherwise every other time I have been on the 152 it is never really 'that' busy.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2015 19:34:12 GMT
I've not used the 152 but there are regular comments on here about how busy it is. Looking at the bus map it doesn't seem to go anywhere "major" although it serves two tube stations. I note also that it's put on over 1m pass jnys a year over 9 years. The numbers (usual caveats apply) suggest that it is very close to capacity now. Can some group regulars say what the major flows are on the route? Just interested to know what's driving the demand growth. Merton Park Tram Stop traffic lights are a daily nightmare. Tailbacks from here go far back and cause the 152 major headaches. Colliers Wood is another traffic hotspot and screws up the route along with the 57 & 131. The Eastlands Station level crossing further causes misery.
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Post by sid on Apr 19, 2015 20:47:37 GMT
Certainly very busy at peak times between Pollards Hill and Colliers Wood in my experience
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Post by vjaska on Apr 19, 2015 21:08:20 GMT
I've not used the 152 but there are regular comments on here about how busy it is. Looking at the bus map it doesn't seem to go anywhere "major" although it serves two tube stations. I note also that it's put on over 1m pass jnys a year over 9 years. The numbers (usual caveats apply) suggest that it is very close to capacity now. Can some group regulars say what the major flows are on the route? Just interested to know what's driving the demand growth. Merton Park Tram Stop traffic lights are a daily nightmare. Tailbacks from here go far back and cause the 152 major headaches. Colliers Wood is another traffic hotspot and screws up the route along with the 57 & 131. The Eastlands Station level crossing further causes misery. I actually thought the word 'flaw' instead of 'flows' was used in the original post - my bad lol. Still, it's a busy route pretty much from Mitcham to New Malden particularly Raynes Park to Mitcham. Mitcham to Pollards Hill isn't as busy.
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Post by M1104 on Apr 19, 2015 22:38:40 GMT
I've not used the 152 but there are regular comments on here about how busy it is. Looking at the bus map it doesn't seem to go anywhere "major" although it serves two tube stations. I note also that it's put on over 1m pass jnys a year over 9 years. The numbers (usual caveats apply) suggest that it is very close to capacity now. Can some group regulars say what the major flows are on the route? Just interested to know what's driving the demand growth. Pollards Hill is a heavily residential area and the 152 is the only direct bus link from there via Eastfield into Mitcham Town Centre, which is where you get large volume of passengers travelling to and from. The 152 is also the only bus service (baring school bus 655) along western road, which is all residential between mitcham and colliers wood. Part of the problem with overcrowding is down to Abellio often putting shorter length buses on route, thus reducing overall route capacity... although that is sometimes counter-balanced with the odd double decker. At least some running numbers need to be with double deckers, particularly those that get the kids out of school in the afternoon. The 655 helps out but it's still not enough. Another factor is that the route suffers badly with traffic along high street colliers wood, merton high street and kingston road. Part of the problem there is that there's hardly any alternative shortcuts traffic can use as many side roads are a 'No Through Road'.... a scheme that was implemented in the late seventies in connection with accidents within residential roads, often involving school kids. The tram crossing signals at Merton Park is just as bad as when the level crossing gates use to be there (just like the ones still at Mitcham Eastfields). The 152 tends to be more busier within the Pollards Hill - Colliers Wood section...as well as from South Wimbledon to Raynes Park via Wimbledon Chase. The parallel 57, 131 and 200 somewhat helps out on the western end of the route.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 9:09:56 GMT
152 should extend to Kingston to assist the 131 in cambridge road but at the same time Introducing a new route that runs from Thornton Heath Station to Colliers Wood station, with the colliers wood to pollards hill section being identical to the 152.
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Post by sid on Apr 20, 2015 10:43:34 GMT
152 should extend to Kingston to assist the 131 in cambridge road but at the same time Introducing a new route that runs from Thornton Heath Station to Colliers Wood station, with the colliers wood to pollards hill section being identical to the 152. I think two routes between Colliers Wood and Pollards Hill might be a bit excessive? Just increase the 152 to every 10mins with double deckers and extend it to Thornton Heath.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 13:05:44 GMT
152 should extend to Kingston to assist the 131 in cambridge road but at the same time Introducing a new route that runs from Thornton Heath Station to Colliers Wood station, with the colliers wood to pollards hill section being identical to the 152. I think two routes between Colliers Wood and Pollards Hill might be a bit excessive? Just increase the 152 to every 10mins with double deckers and extend it to Thornton Heath. PVL371 stated that "Pollards hill is a heavily residential area and the 152 is the only direct bus link from there via Eastfield into Mitcham Town Centre, which is where you get large volume of passengers travelling to and from. The 152 is also the only bus service (baring the school bus 655) along western road, which is all residential between mitcham and colliers wood." Then In that sense, won't it be logical to actually have a route from colliers wood to pollards hill through the same manner since it's a heavily used route with poor selection of single deckers? Also, 131 being the only bus route serving cambridge road is growing out of demand. And since 131 and 57 did a Peak 4 minute frequency from kingston to Raynes park (8min per bus) , we can't really moderate the routes. Moving in the 152 would really smoothen out the demands over those sections.
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Post by vjaska on Apr 20, 2015 13:42:06 GMT
I think two routes between Colliers Wood and Pollards Hill might be a bit excessive? Just increase the 152 to every 10mins with double deckers and extend it to Thornton Heath. PVL371 stated that "Pollards hill is a heavily residential area and the 152 is the only direct bus link from there via Eastfield into Mitcham Town Centre, which is where you get large volume of passengers travelling to and from. The 152 is also the only bus service (baring the school bus 655) along western road, which is all residential between mitcham and colliers wood." Then In that sense, won't it be logical to actually have a route from colliers wood to pollards hill through the same manner since it's a heavily used route with poor selection of single deckers? Also, 131 being the only bus route serving cambridge road is growing out of demand. And since 131 and 57 did a Peak 4 minute frequency from kingston to Raynes park (8min per bus) , we can't really moderate the routes. Moving in the 152 would really smoothen out the demands over those sections. If it was converted to deckers, there'd by less single deckers to go out on the route in the first place. Personally, I've not seen the 152 exceedingly busy between Mitcham and Pollards Hill on the countless times I've used that section but the rest of the route, it is quite busy. If you extend the 152 to Kingston, you lose the opportunity to create a link that crosses east to west through Pollards Hill unless you extend the 130 to Colliers Wood which brings up some issues of it's own so it maybe better to extend the 200 to Kingston instead and convert it to deckers.
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Post by snoggle on Apr 20, 2015 14:26:49 GMT
PVL371 stated that "Pollards hill is a heavily residential area and the 152 is the only direct bus link from there via Eastfield into Mitcham Town Centre, which is where you get large volume of passengers travelling to and from. The 152 is also the only bus service (baring the school bus 655) along western road, which is all residential between mitcham and colliers wood." Then In that sense, won't it be logical to actually have a route from colliers wood to pollards hill through the same manner since it's a heavily used route with poor selection of single deckers? Also, 131 being the only bus route serving cambridge road is growing out of demand. And since 131 and 57 did a Peak 4 minute frequency from kingston to Raynes park (8min per bus) , we can't really moderate the routes. Moving in the 152 would really smoothen out the demands over those sections. If it was converted to deckers, there'd by less single deckers to go out on the route in the first place. Personally, I've not seen the 152 exceedingly busy between Mitcham and Pollards Hill on the countless times I've used that section but the rest of the route, it is quite busy. If you extend the 152 to Kingston, you lose the opportunity to create a link that crosses east to west through Pollards Hill unless you extend the 130 to Colliers Wood which brings up some issues of it's own so it maybe better to extend the 200 to Kingston instead and convert it to deckers. If capacity is the issue then the simplest answer is to double deck the route although there'll be a cost in terms of extra fuel. Provided the schedule is sufficiently robust then reliability should not be too much of an issue although I recognise the issues with level crossings. I can see why people suggest extending the route at both ends. One of the problems with Pollards Hill is its relative remoteness from rail links so there are multiple routes to get to tube and rail stations but often only one via each corridor which must mean they're all very busy. Also there's no cross Pollards Hill link other than the 60 and even then the 60 goes no further than Streatham. It depends what you are trying to achieve in terms of the transport network but I can see the merit in extending towards Thornton Heath. At the other end we have the interesting issue that the four main easterly approaches to Kingston each have one frequent service meaning long "freehold" stretches. If all those routes run impeccably then fine but I doubt they do meaning people at the perils of a single service to do their local trip into Kingston or out to Raynes Park or towards Roehampton. If the 152 was extended over the 131's route then that would give people a fairly quick run into Kingston via new Malden that avoided Wimbledon and its jams. I can see that people quite attractive for people in the Colliers Wood / South Wimbledon area. You are, though, potentially left with a long service from Kingston to Thornton Heath which would have its fair share of "hot spots" to deal with. Nonetheless if TfL were happy to invent the 493 to give a new cross SW London service I don't see what the issue would be with a much extended 152. I suspect it would be pretty popular. You could also use the 200 as the route from which expand at both ends - it could run to Kingston from Raynes Park and could go to Thornton Heath from Mitcham via Pollards Hill but probably over different roads to the 152.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 19:28:36 GMT
In my opinion the traffic hot spots would cripple it if was extended to Kingston. Sometimes Cambridge Road up to new Malden can be backed up for hours. I know I've certainly sat on a 131 for at least two hours just on that stretch. Not to mention the rush hour traffic over the flyover towards Raynes Park and then the tram crossing near Wimbledon all of which would leave the route vulnerable to very heavy delays. If it were to be extended to Kingston cuts would have to be made at the Pollards Hill end of the route. But this is just my option of course.
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Post by sid on Apr 20, 2015 20:59:17 GMT
In my opinion the traffic hot spots would cripple it if was extended to Kingston. Sometimes Cambridge Road up to new Malden can be backed up for hours. I know I've certainly sat on a 131 for at least two hours just on that stretch. Not to mention the rush hour traffic over the flyover towards Raynes Park and then the tram crossing near Wimbledon all of which would leave the route vulnerable to very heavy delays. If it were to be extended to Kingston cuts would have to be made at the Pollards Hill end of the route. But this is just my option of course. I appreciate that the traffic can be bad at times especially when there is football on at Kingsmeadow............but two hours???
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2015 21:46:16 GMT
In my opinion the traffic hot spots would cripple it if was extended to Kingston. Sometimes Cambridge Road up to new Malden can be backed up for hours. I know I've certainly sat on a 131 for at least two hours just on that stretch. Not to mention the rush hour traffic over the flyover towards Raynes Park and then the tram crossing near Wimbledon all of which would leave the route vulnerable to very heavy delays. If it were to be extended to Kingston cuts would have to be made at the Pollards Hill end of the route. But this is just my option of course. I appreciate that the traffic can be bad at times especially when there is football on at Kingsmeadow............but two hours??? This was a rainy friday evening around 6.30/7 in November, i remember because i had enough time to watch at least two apprentice episodes up to the roundabout before the traffic cleared. The traffic seemed to be heading towards the New Malden A3 junction and Worcester Park although there was still a fair bit down to Raynes Park.
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