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Post by LX09FBJ on May 25, 2015 20:06:53 GMT
235 DESPERATELY needs double decks, and Mini Darts, even once every so often is too much for the route and often winds me up Hopefully the trend will continue for a few more years of double decking trunk and formerly double deck routes. The E8 should become full time double deck, and be extended to Hounslow. There's an opportunity next year to do this, so I really hope it happens. 490 is also a good candidate. Richmond Bridge already has a double deck route (the N22) so weight shouldn't bee too much of an issue. No one has mentioned the 371 so I will, the buses are often busy even outside of peak times and double decking it full time could be useful.
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Post by vjaska on May 25, 2015 20:14:20 GMT
I just hope the 355 is converted upon contract renewal though I've a feeling it will left as a single deck route.
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Post by Nathan on May 25, 2015 20:28:43 GMT
235 DESPERATELY needs double decks, and Mini Darts, even once every so often is too much for the route and often winds me up Hopefully the trend will continue for a few more years of double decking trunk and formerly double deck routes. Is the 235 capable of double deckers? If so, then would it be feasible to move the route to WS to allow DDs to be operated?
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Post by snoggle on May 25, 2015 20:43:35 GMT
235 DESPERATELY needs double decks, and Mini Darts, even once every so often is too much for the route and often winds me up Hopefully the trend will continue for a few more years of double decking trunk and formerly double deck routes. Is the 235 capable of double deckers? If so, then would it be feasible to move the route to WS to allow DDs to be operated? Given the old 237 from Shepherds Bush to Sunbury used to run with Routemasters and later with Metrobuses and Olympians the answer has to be an emphatic yes. www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/237.htmlSomewhere in my massive pile of photos awaiting scanning are phots of RMLs on the 237 parked at the old Shepherds Bush stand. I think the only time I've been to Sunbury was on a RML. Haven't been back since so that's a 20+ year gap in journeys.
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Post by thesquirrels on May 25, 2015 22:22:52 GMT
D6, please.
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Post by LX09FBJ on May 25, 2015 23:06:31 GMT
235 DESPERATELY needs double decks, and Mini Darts, even once every so often is too much for the route and often winds me up Hopefully the trend will continue for a few more years of double decking trunk and formerly double deck routes. Is the 235 capable of double deckers? If so, then would it be feasible to move the route to WS to allow DDs to be operated? TF can take DDs, the other half, London United's FW garage operates a significant number of double decks. There's often various withdrawn and Green Bus Tridents lurking around and Tridents were allocated here from when Travel London operated the KU shuttle services. Not sure about the turning point at Sunbury Village, it is quite tight but the route is pretty much traversed by the 635 so I guess the route is cleared for DD oprtation.
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Post by sam1212 on May 25, 2015 23:08:59 GMT
the 130 needs double decks especially in peak times
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Post by l1group on May 25, 2015 23:12:11 GMT
Is the 235 capable of double deckers? If so, then would it be feasible to move the route to WS to allow DDs to be operated? Given the old 237 from Shepherds Bush to Sunbury used to run with Routemasters and later with Metrobuses and Olympians the answer has to be an emphatic yes. www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/237.htmlSomewhere in my massive pile of photos awaiting scanning are phots of RMLs on the 237 parked at the old Shepherds Bush stand. I think the only time I've been to Sunbury was on a RML. Haven't been back since so that's a 20+ year gap in journeys. Sunbury wouldn't be too bad, remember the 635 does exist thus double deckers are obviously cleared to Sunbury Cross, then the final stretch to Three Fishes, the only thing that might stop it may be trees, but very unlikely. 235 even started with double deckers as well, I think? What is more unlikely is it moving to WS, the 235 may probably be too big for WS as WS is quite small. Unless you swap it with another route? (H28?) Also, I've heard way too many rumours about TF trying to be certified for dd working, or something like that. Another suggestion is 391, as it practically nearly already a double decker route! I'd also have H98 on my mind, with a question mark (as I don't know why, but sometimes H98 can be fairly busy). A third suggestion with a larger question mark is the 195 - can the route even take double deckers anymore? If so, they are possibly justified for the Brentford-Southall-Hayes & Harlington Stn end only (as it gets quite busy on that section, but not at all times).
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Post by l1group on May 25, 2015 23:13:29 GMT
the 130 needs double decks especially in peak times If you wanted open-top ones past Norwood Junction, yes. There is a low bridge at Norwood Junction that forced the 130 to become single deck in the first place.
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Post by vjaska on May 25, 2015 23:37:00 GMT
the 130 needs double decks especially in peak times If you wanted open-top ones past Norwood Junction, yes. There is a low bridge at Norwood Junction that forced the 130 to become single deck in the first place. Even then, the 130 isn't busy enough for deckers.
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Post by rmz19 on May 25, 2015 23:42:42 GMT
If you wanted open-top ones past Norwood Junction, yes. There is a low bridge at Norwood Junction that forced the 130 to become single deck in the first place. Even then, the 130 isn't busy enough for deckers. I agree, SDs are perfectly fine on the 130. Apart from school loadings along Shirley Hills Road, which can be resolved with full size SDs if the 130 can accomodate them.
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Post by vjaska on May 25, 2015 23:43:01 GMT
Given the old 237 from Shepherds Bush to Sunbury used to run with Routemasters and later with Metrobuses and Olympians the answer has to be an emphatic yes. www.londonbuses.co.uk/_routes/current/237.htmlSomewhere in my massive pile of photos awaiting scanning are phots of RMLs on the 237 parked at the old Shepherds Bush stand. I think the only time I've been to Sunbury was on a RML. Haven't been back since so that's a 20+ year gap in journeys. Sunbury wouldn't be too bad, remember the 635 does exist thus double deckers are obviously cleared to Sunbury Cross, then the final stretch to Three Fishes, the only thing that might stop it may be trees, but very unlikely. 235 even started with double deckers as well, I think? What is more unlikely is it moving to WS, the 235 may probably be too big for WS as WS is quite small. Unless you swap it with another route? (H28?) Also, I've heard way too many rumours about TF trying to be certified for dd working, or something like that. Another suggestion is 391, as it practically nearly already a double decker route! I'd also have H98 on my mind, with a question mark (as I don't know why, but sometimes H98 can be fairly busy). A third suggestion with a larger question mark is the 195 - can the route even take double deckers anymore? If so, they are possibly justified for the Brentford-Southall-Hayes & Harlington Stn end only (as it gets quite busy on that section, but not at all times). The H98 certainly needs them during peak hours - I remember getting Euro II Dart years ago on the route and it was rammed and from recent outings, this seems to remain the norm. The 195 should be fine - it would probably depend on the Charville Lane area TBH. It's certainly another busy route.
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Post by Green Kitten on May 26, 2015 0:05:35 GMT
H98 could do with double deckers... from experience, seeing as my baseball team + all the d*mn equipment rams the poor DLEs full!
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Post by vjaska on May 26, 2015 0:25:00 GMT
The D6 loaded quite well when First had the temporary DN allocation a few years back.
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Post by northken on May 26, 2015 7:09:36 GMT
The 316 desperately needs them. Even on a Sunday I've seen it completely full. The 332, with its lower passenger numbers, gets DDs yet the 316 with and an extra million passengers a year doesn't. I've asked TfL about any MPs blocking its conversion and they said they knew nothing about it.
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