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Post by LX09FBJ on May 19, 2015 22:43:17 GMT
Nice to see some more night buses in the Hounslow area, 222 night service is a nice idea too (would be nice to see the ADEs thrashed!)
I do think that a Hounslow-Southall night link is needed 24/7 in my view, possibly converting the 120 to 24 hour operation is something that could have taken place, but its nice to see some action taken towards that. The N9 frequency 'normalisation' isn't a bad idea either.
Shame there's no night service for Staines or any other places just outside the GLA area, leaving the N279 as the only cross-border night service.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 23:06:28 GMT
Christ, the drama I got from people on this forum when I suggested a 24 hour service on the day route 47 to serve Shoreditch....
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 23:36:15 GMT
All This Sounds Good. The 24 Hour 47 is a good idea as the N35 by itself struggles in Shoreditch as well as the N47 needs additional support during the Nights. N199 sounds interesting, looking forward to it. I was shocked to see E1 in that list! What has changed your mind about the N47 idea then ? You dismissed it last year when I suggested something very similar ?..
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Post by rmz19 on May 20, 2015 1:39:53 GMT
As these routes are not going to have an N prefix (that's how I understand it) how are they going to be marketed. I remember the N3 when it was extended Friday and Saturday night to bromley and Chislehurst had e titles saying 'N3 Friday and Saturday nights' but how will they show a 24h sevice on just Friday and Saturday nights? That's precisely what I was thinking, the last thing London's public would need at night is something complicated. I'm assuming their normal numbers would be kept, possessing a 24 Hour status but 'Weekends Only'. It would be easier if they were to run 24/7 instead, surely there is demand for most, if not, all of those routes listed.
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Post by vjaska on May 20, 2015 2:56:12 GMT
All This Sounds Good. The 24 Hour 47 is a good idea as the N35 by itself struggles in Shoreditch as well as the N47 needs additional support during the Nights. N199 sounds interesting, looking forward to it. I was shocked to see E1 in that list! What has changed your mind about the N47 idea then ? You dismissed it last year when I suggested something very similar ?.. Fair play for having an idea turn into reality - shame your N40 idea never came about as I quite liked it
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Post by DT 11 on May 20, 2015 4:18:46 GMT
All This Sounds Good. The 24 Hour 47 is a good idea as the N35 by itself struggles in Shoreditch as well as the N47 needs additional support during the Nights. N199 sounds interesting, looking forward to it. I was shocked to see E1 in that list! What has changed your mind about the N47 idea then ? You dismissed it last year when I suggested something very similar ?.. I'll Explain Here is the link to the orginal post suggested by you tangytango.proboards.com/post/243234/threadWhen you made your post you suggested a 24 Hour 47 & a N208 to replace it, I got the wrong end of the stick and thought it was unacceptable to replace the N47 with 2 24 Hour Services, I thought it was poor, plus at the time was unaware how busy Shoreditch was nightly even though I worked there for a short time. You then explained the N208 is just the N47 with another number, I did not see the point, why would the 47 need two Night Services, just increase the frequency of the N47, the 47 & N208 running via pretty much the same route nightly, so saw no point. So I suggested Diverting the N343 to Tottenham Court Road via the N35 as it covers more of the N35 than the 47 does. N199 was also suggested, but to run to Dalston, but just a N47 renumber covering no parts of the 199.. Pointless. I think your N40 idea is needed but run from Dalston - Crystal Palace, even though the 47 gets a 24 Hour Service the N35 is still going to require additional capacity between Shoreditch & Camberwell as the 47 is a complete different route to the N35. Surrey Quays, Deptford & Lewisham gain Night Links to Shoreditch, the N35 remains the same Now The Reason why I agree with the Consultation Proposal is because the 47 & N199 are not two Night Services for the Route 47, the 199 actually gains a night service as well. The N199 will actually serve the Entire Day Route 199 as well as replace parts of the N47 and before anyone states the 47 & 199 are similar, they are indeed similar routes, the N199 won't be a second night service for the 47, it will actually cover the 199 so creates new links. I would go further by keeping the N47 and have it run from Croydon Town Centre - Shoreditch via the 47 & 75, allowing certain parts without a Night Service to gain a Night Service again.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 5:53:20 GMT
I really think TFL should introduce a new night service to central London from Kingston or an extension of the 85 or 57 maybe. The N87 is always rammed and it would be great if we could have another service to help out this uncomfortable stressful cattle truck.
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Post by l1group on May 20, 2015 5:53:24 GMT
Nice to see some more night buses in the Hounslow area, 222 night service is a nice idea too (would be nice to see the ADEs thrashed!) I do think that a Hounslow-Southall night link is needed 24/7 in my view, possibly converting the 120 to 24 hour operation is something that could have taken place, but its nice to see some action taken towards that. The N9 frequency 'normalisation' isn't a bad idea either. Shame there's no night service for Staines or any other places just outside the GLA area, leaving the N279 as the only cross-border night service. Totally agree with the 222 idea, although I'll think the 222(N) will be run with SPs, as that's how it is. I also thought converting the 120 to a 24 hour service would be good, but TfL knowing what they know, H32 seems to be the one instead. The 47N (night 47)/N47/N199(/N1) proposal - the N199 could end up being a tad lengthy due to the N47 being already a lengthy route anyway (third longest night route behind N9 and N89, I think), and with a longer route to get to Lewisham (and thus everything south-east from there), things may get slightly annoying in the other stretches. I'd propose to have N47 stay as it is, the N199 to run Shoreditch-Bellingham(-Croydon as some have suggested earlier), thus the 47N would not need to be introduced and otherwise implements all of the plans wanted in terms of links.
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Post by DT 11 on May 20, 2015 7:40:47 GMT
Nice to see some more night buses in the Hounslow area, 222 night service is a nice idea too (would be nice to see the ADEs thrashed!) I do think that a Hounslow-Southall night link is needed 24/7 in my view, possibly converting the 120 to 24 hour operation is something that could have taken place, but its nice to see some action taken towards that. The N9 frequency 'normalisation' isn't a bad idea either. Shame there's no night service for Staines or any other places just outside the GLA area, leaving the N279 as the only cross-border night service. Totally agree with the 222 idea, although I'll think the 222(N) will be run with SPs, as that's how it is. I also thought converting the 120 to a 24 hour service would be good, but TfL knowing what they know, H32 seems to be the one instead. The 47N (night 47)/N47/N199(/N1) proposal - the N199 could end up being a tad lengthy due to the N47 being already a lengthy route anyway (third longest night route behind N9 and N89, I think), and with a longer route to get to Lewisham (and thus everything south-east from there), things may get slightly annoying in the other stretches. I'd propose to have N47 stay as it is, the N199 to run Shoreditch-Bellingham(-Croydon as some have suggested earlier), thus the 47N would not need to be introduced and otherwise implements all of the plans wanted in terms of links. The N199 won't add that much time onto it, serving Pepys Estate & Greenwich should add another 5-8 Mins of journey time and at night buses move faster less traffic I imagine the PVR may go up to 11. Why would a N199 be introduced between Shoreditch & Bellingham? This is the 47 & 199 merged into one Night Route, allowing 47 to become a 24 Hour service is better so that the route does not need to be changed, hence the N199 being introduced, it won't be that much longer than the N47, plus will be assisted by the 47.
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Post by routew15 on May 20, 2015 7:47:47 GMT
The 47N (night 47)/N47/N199(/N1) proposal - the N199 could end up being a tad lengthy due to the N47 being already a lengthy route anyway (third longest night route behind N9 and N89, I think), and with a longer route to get to Lewisham (and thus everything south-east from there), things may get slightly annoying in the other stretches. I'd propose to have N47 stay as it is, the N199 to run Shoreditch-Bellingham(-Croydon as some have suggested earlier), thus the 47N would not need to be introduced and otherwise implements all of the plans wanted in terms of links. The only difference between the (existing) N47 and the (new) N199 is the N199 serves Pepsys Estate and Greenwich, don't think a diversion of less then half a mile on side streets will affect journey times on this route. Also if Croydon - Lewisham night service does happen it will most probably be alongside the reopening of West Croydon Bus Station or Westfield Croydon re-opening.
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Post by routew15 on May 20, 2015 8:00:43 GMT
I really think TFL should introduce a new night service to central London from Kingston or an extension of the 85 or 57 maybe. The N87 is always rammed and it would be great if we could have another service to help out this uncomfortable stressful cattle truck. I think that's outside of the scoop of this consultation (however, it wouldn't hurt to suggest it though, be interesting to see how/if TfL response to that). Kingston will be linked to the Night Tube via: the N57 (from South Wimbledon, Colliers Wood and Tooting Broadway) the N285 (from Hatton Cross and Heathrow Central) and the N65 (from South Ealing and Ealing Broadway) so hopefully this will reduce the amount of people on the N87.
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Post by mondraker275 on May 20, 2015 8:55:27 GMT
TfL have taken there time over this consultation and thought very carefully about it, and so credit to them to come up with these positive proposals. I heard a few months back there would be a 123 service, and so glad to see this was true. the 158 is also great. I am sure there will be a review of this after a year or so. Remember the night tube service will come on the sub surface lines in a few years times. In terms of the the numbering of these weekend routes, I think snoggle 's idea will be used. You will have a little note at the bottom of the bus number plate saying '24 hours on weekends' or 'weekend 24'. It would be better as well if that wording was on a blue background so you have the top 2/3 of the number plate white, saying 123, and the bottom 1/3 blue saying '24 hours on weekends'. They cannot have a separate plate saying N123, as you may need a bigger bus stop board, you will definitely need new bus blinds and it will be confusing to be at a bus stop where there is a N73 and N123 for example, with one running 7 nights and the other not. Also in the consultation they have not used N's.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 9:22:56 GMT
Edgware seems to have been forgotten. Missed opportunities for a weekend extension of the 140 to Edgware, night service on 251 which would have linked 4 night tube stations on three different sections of lines. Have raised that with TfL via consultation links.
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Post by snoggle on May 20, 2015 9:39:56 GMT
Edgware seems to have been forgotten. Missed opportunities for a weekend extension of the 140 to Edgware, night service on 251 which would have linked 4 night tube stations on three different sections of lines. Have raised that with TfL via consultation links. I had thought about the 251 but I think the basic problem is that the fast bit in the middle is lightly populated so there's not a lot of demand at night. There are proposals with the 34, 114 and the N113 that cover most of the populated bits at each end of the 251 route.
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Post by snoggle on May 20, 2015 9:47:46 GMT
In terms of the the numbering of these weekend routes, I think snoggle 's idea will be used. You will have a little note at the bottom of the bus number plate saying '24 hours on weekends' or 'weekend 24'. It would be better as well if that wording was on a blue background so you have the top 2/3 of the number plate white, saying 123, and the bottom 1/3 blue saying '24 hours on weekends'. They cannot have a separate plate saying N123, as you may need a bigger bus stop board, you will definitely need new bus blinds and it will be confusing to be at a bus stop where there is a N73 and N123 for example, with one running 7 nights and the other not. Also in the consultation they have not used N's. It would be lovely to see the Night Bus "Owl and Moon"Night Bus "Owl and Moon" revived for the signage but I doubt it will happen.
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